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clayander
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Hardcore.Pwnography
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education reform ideas

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Hardcore.Pwnography
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/14/2012 Category: Education
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 2,132 times Debate No: 20393
Debate Rounds (5)
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clayander

Pro

1. higher salaeries for teachers
2. smaller class sizes
3. more after school programs
4. have a private tutor for every single studnet
5. allow people who work in other feilds like math and sceisne to work in classrooms
6. longer school year
7. build new schools
8. raise the age to drop out to 18
Hardcore.Pwnography

Con

This is like 8 debates in one...
Well, I accept anyways. This will be fun.

I will allow my opponent to come up with arguments for each of his reform ideas.

As Pro has not provided which country we would be implementing these reform ideas, I suggest Canada. Please PM or comment if you disagree.

I guess the side who wins this debate is the side that proves or disproves most of the education reform ideas.

Burden of Proof:

Pro must prove five or more of his reform ideas to work in order to win this debate.

As Con, I must disprove five or more of these ideas, and point out the many flaws in those ideas in order to win this debate.

Basically, the side that wins on the majority of those topics is the side that wins. If both sides have the same amount of wins on topics, then the debate is tied.

I await Pro's arguments for his reform ideas.


Debate Round No. 1
clayander

Pro

i am talking about the american education system which is a disaster all of these things would veyr much a lot more then no child left behind
Hardcore.Pwnography

Con

Well, okay American education system works as well, although I am a little unfamiliar, but no big deal.

To be fair, and maintain that both Pro and I have the same amount of rounds to argue, I will not post any arguments this round.

Please continue in the next round.
Debate Round No. 2
clayander

Pro

clayander forfeited this round.
Hardcore.Pwnography

Con

I'll give Pro one more chance to post his opening arguments before posting mine.
Debate Round No. 3
clayander

Pro

clayander forfeited this round.
Hardcore.Pwnography

Con

Well, here are some arguments:

1. higher salaeries for teachers

We can't afford that, we are already in debt by alot.

2. smaller class sizes

Smaller class sizes means more teachers, and again, we can't afford that

3. more after school programs

Again, this means more teachers or supervisors. Think of how many schools are in the states. We can't afford this.

4. have a private tutor for every single studnet

There are hundreds of millions of students in the states. A tutor costs about $40-$50 an hour. If we give every student a tutor, it would cost $5 billion an hour. We can't afford this.

5. allow people who work in other feilds like math and sceisne to work in classrooms

Do we not have this already? University professors work in fields like science and teach in classrooms.

6. longer school year

This would get too much protest and would never be implemented.

7. build new schools

New schools cost money. New schools require more teachers. We can't afford this.

8. raise the age to drop out to 18

This would not do anything. High school ends at 18. Basically, you're forcing students to stay in high school. Poorer familiies might need their children to drop out at 16 to work, to help get revenue. This would never be implemented, too many protests.


Debate Round No. 4
clayander

Pro

clayander forfeited this round.
Hardcore.Pwnography

Con

Extend all arguments, i guess. Vote CON.
Debate Round No. 5
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by Hardcore.Pwnography 5 years ago
Hardcore.Pwnography
What exactly is the resolution ?
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Vote Placed by TUF 5 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: via forfeit
Vote Placed by Man-is-good 5 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: (shakes head) Sorry, but this debate was poor by numerous standards. Pro failed to note WHICH education system is in need of reform, did not create a specific burden of proof (which Con did), and loses conduct for his forfeits and for rolling eight debates (or education reforms) into one single debate as well as for a poor resolution. Moreover, Con was the only one who actually made arguments that were left un-refuted by Pro.