The Instigator
Condor117
Pro (for)
Winning
4 Points
The Contender
henryajevans
Con (against)
Losing
0 Points

evolution should be taught as an idea. not a fact.

Do you like this debate?NoYes+3
Add this debate to Google Add this debate to Delicious Add this debate to FaceBook Add this debate to Digg  
Post Voting Period
The voting period for this debate has ended.
after 1 vote the winner is...
Condor117
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/2/2013 Category: Education
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 711 times Debate No: 38363
Debate Rounds (3)
Comments (7)
Votes (1)

 

Condor117

Pro

I don't personally believe that evolution should be taught as fact. Evolution is a much an idea as any religion.
henryajevans

Con

I strongly believe that as it is the overwhelming scientific consensus, and there is a lack of rational opposition to it, it should be taught as fact until the event that a better theory comes along. This is the nature of science. Religion has no theories, in any meaningful sense at least. As a theory, evolution is based on hundreds, if not thousands, of scientific tests, and we can be reasonably sure that it is the most accurate theory. This does not mean that if the scientific consensus changes to another theory as the one with the most evidence supporting it, it would be foolish to stick to evolution, as that is more the nature of religion than science.
Debate Round No. 1
Condor117

Pro

No observation of macroevolution ( when a species turns into a new one) has been observed. This is briefly documented by citing recent statements from leading evolutionists admitting their lack of proof. If evolution is a real process, then how come we have no recorded observations of it happening. Current leading evolutionist, Jeffery Schwartz, professor of anthropology at the University of Pittsburgh, has recently stated: "... It was and still is the case that, with the exception of Dobzchansky's claim about a new species of fruit flies, the formation of a new species, by any mechanism, has never been observed." Though I am religious, don't automatically count me out. I was taught and I do believe in respecting other's beliefs and ideas. That is exactly what evolution is. A belief and/or idea. I do believe it should be taught, but not as a fact because we have no absolute proof of this. Only theories.
henryajevans

Con

henryajevans forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Condor117

Pro

There is no adequate proof of the origin of life. an evolutionist would believe in beginnings. But we all know life doesn't come from nothing. And something everyone should know is that Darwin based part of his theory on spontaneous generation. Our fossil record is our only documentation of whether evolution actually occurred and it lacks any transitional forms, only fully formed when first present. So again. There is not very good proof of evolution. So why should it be taught as fact.
henryajevans

Con

henryajevans forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
7 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 7 records.
Posted by Sagey 3 years ago
Sagey
Well Fluffy,
@ "i dont beleive anything i havent witnessed first hand. at most evolution theories about what happened millions of years ago, might be a very highly probable geuss, if you can proove that. theories of history shuoldnt be taught as fact w/o proof. just because something is the most likley to be accurate theory, doesnt mean its fact."
Theories are higher than Fact. Because a Theory explains one or more Facts.
The Theory of Evolution explains many hundreds of Facts, which makes it an extremely strong Theory.
The Theory of Evolution is higher than The Theory of Gravity, because it encompasses (explains) many more discovered Facts.
So if you believe that we shouldn't teach The Theory Of Evolution in schools, then we Shouldn't teach the weaker Theory of Gravity.
Good science teachers don't teach Evolution as Fact, they teach it as a Theory, which is the highest level that any Scientific concept can achieve.
There is nothing higher than a Theory for concepts in Science.
Facts are stagnant and Finite.
many Facts need a Theory to explain why they are Facts.
The Theory of Evolution explains almost every Biological Fact ever discovered.
There are thousands of Biological Facts.
So there is no other theory that man can devise to compete with The Theory Of Evolution.
All students should Know These Facts.
Posted by fluffybunnypuff 3 years ago
fluffybunnypuff
proof? i dont beleive anything i havent witnessed first hand. at most evolution theories about what happened millions of years ago, might be a very highly probable geuss, if you can proove that. theories of history shuoldnt be taught as fact w/o proof. just because something is the most likley to be accurate theory, doesnt mean its fact.
in the past 50-100years, evolution has been documented with examples as foxes being domesticated and after generations they start looking like dogs, birds evolving to have shorter wings so they wont get hit by cars as often (this happens because the ones with the shorter wings survived thus passed on their genes), some types of birds evolveing to have longer beaks so they can reach nector in flowers (this happened cuz the birds with the longer beaks survived better in their env and passed on their genes)...
i dont beleive in religion is true or false, because i cant know what happened in places where i never was
Posted by Condor117 3 years ago
Condor117
This debate is almost over now and my opponent still hasn't made a new argument, so I thank those that at least somewhat agree with me in advance. As of now there is 45 min left in the debate. Lets see what happens.
Posted by Blitzkreig 3 years ago
Blitzkreig
Mr. henryajevans, if you really are as open minded as you say you are (in my experience people only seem open minded until you outsmart them) you should check out Dr. Kent Hovind and his series on apologetics, his scientific logic is sound, as far as i can tell, and points to historical events and geologic findings that suggest a real god as described in the holy christian scriptures. (that and he is really good for a laugh)
Posted by Jakeross6 3 years ago
Jakeross6
There is overwhelming scientific evidence for Evolution. Macroevolution requires a very very large amount of time! However, we can see it happening through microevolution. It is seen in the Lynsky experiment that Genetic mutations cause changes in the animal that would one day change into a new species. We would not see macroevolution in last 150 years since the Theory of Evolution was first presented by Charles Darwin. If you did, that would actually be evidence against evolution and could even be used by Young Earth Creationists to substantiate their unfounded claims. However, Fossils show us what has happened in the past, their age confirmed by the geological timescale and Radiometric dating. If you want to learn more about Evolution, Richard Dawkin's "The Greatest Show On Earth" is a very compelling and convincing layout of the evidence for Evolution. If you desire to read a book without so much zeal for Evolutionary Biology, then I would suggest Brian Switeg's "Written in Stone: Evolution, The Fossil Record, and Our Place in Nature".
Posted by avantika_joshi 3 years ago
avantika_joshi
i agree with it.evolution should be taught as an idea rather than fact. after l\all evolution might be a fact but now we are able to discuss about is all because a man got an idea of explaining it. even more things learn as an idea would be able to engross students more than learning it as a fact!!
Posted by HitReaper 3 years ago
HitReaper
Well its a theory so its considered most likely true -- I've never actually heard someone teach it as fully factual, meaning there was no other way it were true
1 votes has been placed for this debate.
Vote Placed by Ragnar 3 years ago
Ragnar
Condor117henryajevansTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:Vote Checkmark--1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:40 
Reasons for voting decision: FF