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rubbersoul
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gizmo1650
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Started: 5/21/2011 Category: Science
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Voting Period
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rubbersoul

Con

To anybody who believes in evolution.....explain how something can come from nothing...
gizmo1650

Pro

Evolution in no way implies that something came from nothing. It does not even attempt to explain how life began. Evolution does however, explain how life becomes more complex.

In response to your other question, how can the expansion of the universe be accelerating, without something coming from nothing? (virtual particles)
Debate Round No. 1
rubbersoul

Con

"Evolution in no way implies that something came from nothing. It does not even attempt to explain how life began. Evolution does however, explain how life becomes more complex."

Evolutionists do not believe that a higher power created animals, plants, etc. They believe that over a matter of billions of years everything came from some primordial "sludge" so to speak.

If you say the universe is created with "vitual particles", (which in itself is a watery and vague term) explain how the said term came from nothing....
gizmo1650

Pro

As I stated before, evolution only says that primitive life will become more advanced life overtime.

I never said the universe was created by virtual particles. What I said was that they were the best explanation for the expansion of the universe we observe. Put simply, the idea is that in a vaccum, particles are spontaniusly created out of nothing. Each particle has a corresponding anti-particle, with an opposite charge. This means that there is a net energy of 0, not violating thermodynamics. These particles normally annihilate each other before they have much effect. They do however have the effect of pushing the universe apart at an accelerating rate.
Debate Round No. 2
rubbersoul

Con

"Put simply, the idea is that in a vaccum, particles are spontaniusly created out of nothing."

You are also defeating your own logic when you say.."Each particle has a corresponding anti-particle, with an opposite charge. This means that there is a net energy of 0, not violating thermodynamics."

If the net energy is 0....then there is still, as I have stated before...............nothing...
gizmo1650

Pro

If you have a particle of +1 energy, and a particle of -1 energy, then you have two particles. In the case of virtual particles, when they come together, they anihalate each other, leaving nothing, which the theory suggest is actually filled with other virtual particles.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by prototype9179 5 years ago
prototype9179
How can there be such a thing as negative energy?
Posted by lucyalice1989 5 years ago
lucyalice1989
It was a figure of speech. Cells can conjoin to form a human life out of the body....
Posted by rubbersoul 5 years ago
rubbersoul
"Everything comes from nothing, you can grow a baby in a test tube. How do u think u eat fast food?? and why do u think things mutate?? u could argue evolution and creation go hand in hand...lucyalice1989 ."

Lucy... please explain how babies are grown in test tubes...with nothing in them.
Posted by gizmo1650 5 years ago
gizmo1650
For the purpose of this discussion we will consider matter a form of energy (which it is). Consider a region of space with a total energy of 0. The law of conservation of energy states that without outside interference, the energy of that region will remain at 0. At some instant, two particles spontaneously appear. One with an energy of +1, the other with an energy of 1. Normally, those two particles would collide with each other almost immideiatly, taking us back to a truly empty region of space. However, it is possible that they do not collide, in which case we have two particles from nothing.
Posted by rubbersoul 5 years ago
rubbersoul
I fail to understand the logic here.....if i have a dollar then it gets taken away.....i have nothing....NOthing.....you still have not explained where the postive particle has come from nothing..
Posted by gizmo1650 5 years ago
gizmo1650
"It is against the laws of science for an organism to become more complex as it evolves."

Yes, it is against the laws of science for an organism to evolve. Evolution occurs in population, the changes happed when an organism produces an offspring.
Posted by prototype9179 5 years ago
prototype9179
It is against the laws of science for an organism to become more complex as it evolves.
Posted by lucyalice1989 5 years ago
lucyalice1989
Everything comes from nothing, you can grow a baby in a test tube. How do u think u eat fast food?? and why do u think things mutate?? u could argue evolution and creation go hand in hand....
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Vote Placed by Nataliella 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Con stopped the evolution debate and changed the subject to the Big Bang instead.
Vote Placed by Man-is-good 5 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Con never seemed to argue but question gizmo1650's case, and thus loses conduct for his questioning and late presentation of arguments in the debate.
Vote Placed by Cliff.Stamp 5 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: 1 pt rubbersoul for starting an anti-evolution debate on DDO which is predominantly anti-creation. 1 pt for staying civil the entire debate. Argument solid to gizmo1650 as rubbersoul simply asked questions more so than debated.
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Reasons for voting decision: This was supposed to be a debate over the existence of evolution, however rubbersoul merely asked questions about how the universe began. He erranously claimed that evolution claims everything came from nothing, even though anyone with a computer can look up the actual definition and see that evolution theorizes how life came to it's present condition from less complex organisms. It does not say a word on abiogenesis.
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