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existence is absolute

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Started: 4/3/2016 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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truth is unchanging, truth can only be in the past

now is true


"Truth is unchanging, truth can only be in the past
now is true"

I believe your words are a bit vague in the way you formulated them. You describe the truth as in what HAS happened, or something that WAS if I understand you correctly. Which means that you describe truth as something that no longer is.

But if you change your perspective, and focus on something that IS, yes something that exists right now, then you'd have a true perspective of what truth certainly is. It consists of what is in the present.

Sure, I take the point that the past has once been the truth, because earlier events are the results of what has been the "is". But that is not the definition of truth.

"the quality or state of being true"

The words above this paragraph is the definition of what truth is. (

So a current state is something an item currently has. It needs to be in order to be a real state. Because every previous state doesn't define what the state is, because the state is dynamic, just like truth CAN be. I am simply saying it is possible for the truth to be dynamic, but not that it certainly must be. Therefore any previous state may be the true state of an item, but not necessarily.

But yet again, defining truth is a very philosophical move of you. Whether true has been, is or has yet to come is reliant upon the consciousness. Because if one isn't conscious in the state of present, then what is truth to a person? One can grasp the words of truth and put them into several perspectives of the three dimensions of time. But if you ask what the truth is, then you're asking what has the quality of being true. And being true is yet another simple way to look at an object, because we often agree something to be true according to what has been agreed to in the past.

But let me make this short, just as a counter-proposal to your argument. Where truth is defined is reliant upon your consciousness and consciousness is reliant upon your presence. Truth can be defined as what exists in the presence, and not something that has been because it simply cannot be the truth anymore because it doesn't exist anymore and therefore isn't real.

As a conclusion; truth can only be in the present, as it is our only reality. No matter if the truth once was something else.
Debate Round No. 1


experience=now=remembering something

truth is not true, and false is not truth..

is=true=now=THIS word on the screen=matter

existence is true.. false is true on the level of your accepted oppinions contrary to my position as presented geniusly

how do you know its truth if it can be? can be is not.. i can drink a cup of coffe, i am not thou

truth is impossible, false is possible.. truth is in the past, i might have a dragon in my backyard, i will not show it no.



belief is doubt

truth can be defined as a cheese moon

truth is not real, it is not false either


"experience=now=remembering something"

And you experience, which means you live it NOW. In the presence. And therefore the presence is true to you. And is therefore a truth to some degree.

"truth is not true, and false is not truth.."

Truth CAN be true when it is in fact the truth. And the false is indeed not the truth.

"is=true=now=THIS word on the screen=matter"

Yes indeed, but I believe these words only promotes my point of view.

"existence is true.. false is true on the level of your accepted oppinions contrary to my position as presented geniusly"

But is existence true, or are we just a fantasy? False and truth can be agreed upon by people, but that defines nothing except their opinions. Truth stays true whether a person in reality/fantasy believes otherwise.

"how do you know its truth if it can be? can be is not.. i can drink a cup of coffe, i am not thou"

Because the endless possibilities exist, based upon what we do not know. Our future can do anything, we can even be vaporized by a death-ray from a million light years away. Yet we are still uncertain what the future brings. So we are certain that we are uncertain what the future brings, and therefore the future can bring anything uncertain to us. All uncertain is very infinite to our mind. And therefore we say that truth CAN be anything just by the fact that the future CAN become the present and therefore the truth CAN become anything.

"truth is impossible, false is possible.. truth is in the past, i might have a dragon in my backyard, i will not show it no."

Would you like to go deeper upon your sources? Why is truth impossible? Why must false be the only possible? And why are you speaking of your wild fantasy of dragons in your backyard?


Memories does certainly exist in the presence, they are true in your mind.


Not really. One can be certain of a matter, and still not know the matter. And therefore a certainty cannot be true.

"belief is doubt"

A highly illogical opinion, mis-led in fact. When you are having a belief, you are having no doubt in your opinion of matter.

"truth can be defined as a cheese moon"

Yet again, we find ourselves here. Truth can be defined as anything agreed upon by mankind. But truth can certainly not be defined as a cheese moon, as that is not what truth means. You're highly irrational again.

"truth is not real, it is not false either"

I believe these are your best words so far. But they could drive a man insane by the looks of it. Because when is truth real? Will death create a new truth, where the truth is the false and likewise?
Debate Round No. 2


you dont remember in the past..

anything that exist prove my position.. as if it isnt absolute and exist i am wrong




fantasy exist, superman is not defined as wearing a bra when he saves people


But the past doesn't exist, it only lives on in the mind of a person, and therefore your position is weakened.

Also fantasy does exist therefore superman is defined as someone wearing a bra when he saves people. In a fantasy.

Your arguments are nonetheless, proven false, and you are yet wrong in this dimension of reality.
Debate Round No. 3


past exist me to remember it

sure.. but thats not the first thing you think about when you think about superman.. like you dont go to invisibility

so existence is not absolute?


Human life may be absolute, as far as we know. We have no proof, nothing that can deny your opinion if you are for it.

What you are trying to reach, is something we cannot even reach. You're being philosophical, because these questions are yet to be found within boundaries of our universal limitations. Humans can in theory know everything about our physical presence and know everything about what exists right now. But we cannot know that much of what happens after our physical presence, because there hasn't been found any scientific solution to that yet. But of course, there are many creative and fun theories.

After our physical presence, we re-animate into another physical presence. From a tiger to a human. Worm to butterfly. Human to any other conscious being. It's fun to think about.

Perhaps our souls travel from this planet, to another dimensional universe. Perhaps we travel from being a human, into being some unknown biological life in a universe far away.

Some other people mean that you re-live your life, and make other decisions which create a whole different outcome of you based upon the same circumstances. That's a very interesting theory.

But of course, there are thousands of theories and I could go on all day. But I suppose we don't have time to discuss this interesting matter as we have other matters to attend to. Based upon our knowledge, this is a discussion that doesn't neccesarily have an explanation. Just like religion. You can believe in it if you want to, hope, but there is no actual knowledge of it's actual truth.

Our existence, is yet to proven to be absolute. I don't know what's most frightening though, living forever or living once.
Debate Round No. 4


life is life

absolutes=existence=1=stone=human=fish=bush=not machine


Let us not debate these sorts of matters again, as they are... quite impossible to truly know.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by whiteflame 2 years ago
>Reported vote: breakingamber// Mod action: Removed<

3 points to Con (Conduct, Sources). Reasons for voting decision: Well, both sides were pretty bad in spelling/grammar, but Con politely asked Pro to not debate this again at the end, giving him a point for conduct. Also, Con is the only one who even cited a source, though given it was a dictionary site, it may not have been too reliable.

[*Reason for removal*] (1) Politeness in the debate is not sufficient reason to award conduct. Conduct can only be awarded if there are forfeits or if the debaters are rude. (2) Sources are insufficiently explained. While the lack of sources by one side can inform this decision, the voter is required to state how Con's source is reliable/does anything of substance in the debate.
Posted by breakingamber 2 years ago
LOL, truly know.
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
and to argue for why it dosnt exist if you are not*
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
to argue that you dont exist is to argue, is to exist and to argue it for why argue it dosnt exist if you are not
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago

you still see all that leading to a conclusion by the absolutes, whatever you say you are arguing for me.. even for you to say no one has proven existence is absolute means it is absolute, is is
Posted by Mr.Case 2 years ago
No, a stone is a dinosaur. And my backyard is filled with tons of oranges that grows on trees. And inside those oranges there are small dinosaur eggs.
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
so a stone is a car?
Posted by Mr.Case 2 years ago
Whoooa, mind just blown right away now. Stones are not cars, therefore existence is not absolute!
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
dude its simple.. a stone is not a car
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
ups, i posted it before i read the whole thing
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