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from an objective perspective judaism is the most believable religion in the world

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mendel

Pro

The issue brought up constantly by those who don't believe in religion at all is the simple question, why should they believe, you claim that a particular individual received a divine message from g-d who says he wasn't a fraud or a mad man. A question i agree with wholeheartedly why indeed.

The only religion whose proponents claim that the revelation by g-d was to the entire nation is Judaism. The reason why no other religion tried making a similar claim is quite obvious, it's extremely hard to convince a nation of people that g-d had spoken to them all, for the prophet to claim divine revelation is one thing but for him to claim that they had all collectively received a prophesy would be preposterous, to make such a claim it had better have happened. And even with a group- that is to say- more than one person for example 12 people (the apostles) it's always possible that they were in collusion with each other and the whole thing is a fraud. However when you"re dealing with convincing thousands of people that an event had happened to them and were not discussing some kind of abstract event we are discussing convincing a nation that they had experienced a splitting of the sea, had collectively heard g-d speak to them, traveled in a desert for 40 years surrounded by clouds of glory etc. etc. although on the one hand it seems too fantastic to be real (the narrative of all other religions are far less grand) but on the other hand when one wants to sell a religion (unless the human brain has changed drastically to a place beyond recognition) if it's not true, the way to go about it is to minimize the event not make it more and more grand, imagine someone claiming these things to a nation telling them that all this had occurred to 2 million people (600 thousand between the age of 20 and 60) wouldn't they be scratching their heads wondering why it's the first they're hearing of it.

And it's not like the easiest religion it has 613 commandments infringing upon all areas of life incumbent upon all Jews, not just some devoted priests. Point being that it would seem that they actually believed it to be true.

Even if for some reason you disagree with the above stated (and I would be more than happy to have a debate in the future on the subject and expand on it much more)in my opinion it seems clear that from an objective perspective this aspect of Judaism puts it head and shoulders over all other religions.

Also on a theological basis i find it difficult to believe that g-d would demand belief and faith (with the threat of eternal damnation in most religions) for a particular faith without some objective way to arrive at that faith, if someone wasn't raised in a belief system, was g-d demanding that he or she blindly accept the true faith the true religion what if they don't believe plain and simple, and which religion should they choose.(Parenthetically that would also (perhaps) explain why the bible was a one time show 50 years of spectacular miracles maybe the purpose of man was to find and reveal g-d in this world a mission which would obviously be pointless if g-d were already revealed and the events in the bible were so that if one truly objectively searched for g-d with reason alone he could arrive at the truth and accept the yoke of heaven.)

Finally all the points stated were regarding Judaisms superiority over all religions however in connection to Christianity and Islam who's followers faiths accept the Torah as being given by g-d (granted the Muslims say that the Jews distorted the text but the essential prophecy of Moses is accepted in the Koran) it's much easier, because one doesn't have to prove why to believe in the bible their very belief believes in the bible. Now listen closely to their claim they agree that g-d gave the torah in the presence of the entire Jewish people something which has never happened before or since and they want you to accept that g-d whispered in the ear of Paul or Mohammed that the Torah isn't applicable anymore, and g-d has changed his mind, and the Jewish people are no longer his chosen nation, the Jewish response seems quite right by saying that if g-d has changed his mind let him come and tell us himself. That is of course beside for the fact that is says in the Torah a few times that this is an eternal law for all your generations that is a quote.

I'm new to this website and this is basically my first time debating an issue online so excuse my style if it's clumsy.
POPOO5560

Con

Hello to everyone and and shalom peace with you pro.

To determine what is the most believable religion, i think there are many aspects to talking about on different subjects, for me, that believable religion is Islam. i want to trace with your points:

You claim -"The only religion whose proponents claim that the revelation by g-d was to the entire nation is Judaism."

Why God chooses only small tiny group over the entire humanity and salvation only for the jews? we say God is just and loving,why God would do such a thing neglecting all nations except jews. it doesnt make any sense. on the contrary, in Islam to every nation/community was sent a prophet for their guidance, God's religion was the same one from Adam through all the prophets to Mohammed (including Moses & Jesus) may peace be upon them all.

Quran 16:36
And verily, We have sent among every Ummah (community, nation) a Messenger (proclaiming): "Worship Allah (Alone), and avoid (or keep away from) Taghut (all false deities, etc. i.e. do not worship Taghut besides Allah).

To be a jew your mother must be a jew or you have to take long process of convertion. what the mother or father has do to with anyones faith? salvation is about believing, and for faith in something you dont have to do long process of convertion, you just believing in it, it must be easy to follow and not make it difficult to believe.

Quran 3:110
Ye are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah (God).

So what makes you to be one of best of people? to enjoin what is right and forbid what is worng and believe in God. its not that im a "pakistani,arab,jew or whatever, ITS NOT ABOUT RACE "im better than the others."

in short Pro you talked about that nation of isreal they had experienced many greater miracles than other religions, so this makes more believable...its a logical fallacy. there are many miracles that greater of the miracles of Moses (pbuh), in christainty or Islam (although we believe too in Moses as a prophet).anyway its not a test at all. every atheist will say it just a fairy tales.

Pro claims that because "it's not like the easiest religion it has 613 commandments infringing upon all areas of life incumbent", its confirming its truthiness. Islam too has many commandments infringing upon all areas of life incumbent, perhaps many religions have that. logical fallacy.

Pro- " i find it difficult to believe that g-d would demand belief and faith (with the threat of eternal damnation in most religions)"

first of all, Jewish ideas about the afterlife are many, there is no unanimously agreement what will happen, some say that the wicked are utterly destroyed and cease to exist after a while in hell, others believe in eternal damnation. so its the same for you.

Last, you claim that God changed his mind for that the Torah isnt applicable anymore, and God must come and tell to jews himself.
well,God doesnt shouts in the sky to tell you something. his work goes through the prophets of God. you talking about the Torah, the gap years of the oldest manuscripts of Moses (pbuh) and Moses himself are many many years. so you have to prove that the Torah (of today) is the same thing as the Torah of Moses(pbuh). we know today, some of the text were changed,distorted, removed or added to the text of what we are reading today and this is a fact.
About god changing his mind, God doesnt changed his mind, there was only one message - to worshhip the only true God and obey him, but people at every age distorted their scriptures and Quran is the last revelation and Mohhamed (pbuh) is the seal of the prophets of God.

There are many things we can debate what makes one religion more reasonable from others, and talking about the scriptures like Quran and Bible doing comparison... and by doing so i think Quran leaves behind the bible for miles.

So far i cant see why Judaism is more believable than other religions like Christainity,Budihsm or Islam.
Debate Round No. 1
mendel

Pro

Thank you Mr. con for taking on this debate and shalom (peace) to you and to the whole world.

i must preface my argument by saying that when i say Judaism i mean orthodox Judaism regardless which group in orthodoxy we all accept the authority of the bible and the Talmud, i definitely don't mean reform Judaism which doesn't even believe g-d gave the torah (therefore i don't even consider it a religion) and conservative Judaism also not, they interpret the torah without regard for the traditions like the Talmud (and both of these began in the last 200 years)

Now down to the issues your first argument is a theological one assuming that g-d is just and loving, and Judaism does say that, Exodus 34:6-7, "Why God chooses only small tiny group over the entire humanity and salvation only for the jews?..Why would g-d do such a thing neglecting all nations except Jews".As opposed to Islam which is for all mankind. (I'll tell you a secret not only Islam almost every religion believes that their religion is for all mankind not for a few individuals.)

There is not a single orthodox Jew who will tell you that non-Jews don't have a share in the world to come on the contrary it says Clearly in the Talmud that righteous non-jews go to heaven (tractate Sanhedrin 90a and page 105a and more) so salvation for only the Jews is simply not true.

Why would g-d do such a thing well for starters what is unjust about having an extra special relationship with the Jewish people does it diminish someone else"s connection to g-d, when you marry someone does it mean you have no friends anymore the unique position of the Jewish people in no way makes anyone inferior everyone was created in the image of g-d it's just that being Jewish is a very special thing (a random quote for those who are not familiar Deuteronomy 7:6-7 "For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for his treasured possession, out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth It was not because you were more in number than any other people that the LORD set his love on you and chose you, for you are the fewest of all peoples, but it is because the LORD loves you and is keeping the oath that he swore to your fathers, that the LORD has brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the house of slavery, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt." Secondly what type of question is that, you as a Muslim don't believe there was ever a time that g-d made the Jews special and unique don't you know that all the prophets down from Moses are all Jewish (of course we Jews don't believe Jesus was a prophet.) and you tell me, i think i read in the Koran that Jews have to keep Shabbat which implies that Jews do have laws only for them.

Your disturbed by the whole conversion thing but my friend, you could and should remain a non-jew and be close to g-d (that"s why we discourage conversion) converting to Judaism is being transformed into g-ds treasure and beloved. And a person converting has to be sure he's ready for the burden (but privilege) of being a Jew and that"s why converting any other way other than what"s prescribed by the torah is a joke.

"enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in God" a beautiful sentiment the only question is what's right and wrong.

Moving along "you talked about that nation of isreal they had experienced many greater miracles than other religions, so this makes more believable...its a logical fallacy. there are many miracles that greater of the miracles of Moses (pbuh), in christainty or Islam (although we believe too in Moses as a prophet)". You obviously didn't read my argument i didn't say it was greater (for g-d no miracle is hard) i said it was in a more public setting in the presence of hundreds of thousands of people whereas you as a Muslim accept on faith alone that Mohamed wasn't a charlatan or a mad man.

moving along when i mentioned the 613 commandments i wasn't trying to prove Judaism true, commandments doesn't prove anything i was just pointing out that besides for how ridiculous it would be to tell a nation such a story and they would believe it furthermore this story comes with hundreds of commandments and obligations and it's not just a story to celebrate the anniversary every year or something.

"Pro-"i find it difficult to believe that g-d would demand belief and faith (with the threat of eternal damnation in most religions)"
first of all, Jewish ideas about the afterlife are many, there is no unanimously agreement what will happen, some say that the wicked are utterly destroyed and cease to exist after a while in hell, others believe in eternal damnation. so its the same for you." You misunderstood what i wrote i wasn"t proving anything form the eternal damnation thing that was just an aside of how important supposedly religion is to g-d, my argument over there begins after the parentheses.

"you claim God must come and tell to jews himself.well,God doesnt shouts in the sky to tell you something. his work goes through the prophets of God." The more i read the more it seems to me that you haven't even read my argument, boy did g-d shout out the first time.

"the gap years of the oldest manuscripts of Moses (pbuh) and Moses himself are many many years. so you have to prove that the Torah (of today) is the same thing as the Torah of Moses(pbuh). we know today, some of the text were changed,distorted, removed or added to the text of what we are reading today and this is a fact." What for is fact for some is for others fiction. A few fun facts about a torah scroll if it's missing a letter or has an extra letter it's not kosher we just stop reading it and put it away, the Yemenite Jews who had been separated from rest of the Jewish people for about 2,000 years were airlifted in 1949 to the holy land of Israel their torah scrolls are exact to the letter as our torah scrolls,theres been a raging debate now about 500 years regarding a certain word whether it's with an alef or a hei so some are like this and some like this. I could go on and on but this is your faith and I"m fine with that.

"About god changing his mind, God doesnt changed his mind, there was only one message - to worshhip the only true God and obey him, but people at every age distorted their scriptures and Quran is the last revelation and Mohhamed (pbuh) is the seal of the prophets of God." I'm glad to see we agree about something that g-d doesn't change his mind i quote you the bible Numbers 23:19 God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it? end quote. I believing in Judaism disagree with you about what it means to obey g-d Judaism believes that to obey for a Jew means to keep the 613 commandments (it's not as hard as it sounds) and for a non-jew it means to live a upright moral, and ethical (spiritual would be even greater)life based on principles called the seven noahite laws which have many details but in short 1.dont commit adultery 2.don't murder 3.no idolatry (one g-d) 4.blasphemy (respect g-d) 5.stealing 6.not eating a limb that was taken from the animal when it was alive 7.set up courts of justice in every society (this world is not a jungle).

Again shalom and only blessings.
POPOO5560

Con

shalom peace...

Pro - "There is not a single orthodox Jew who will tell you that non-Jews don't have a share in the world to come on the contrary it says Clearly in the Talmud that righteous non-jews go to heaven (tractate Sanhedrin 90a and page 105a and more) so salvation for only the Jews is simply not true."

So basically you saying it doesnt matter if you are a Jew or non-Jew... every righteous person eventually will go to heaven. so why God took the trouble to reveal and send many prophets if its doesnt matter if you are a jew or not, i mean God did his job only to address the jews for all the thousands of years (from Adam to Moses pbuh imagine how many prophets were there) to follow how to live obeying the laws only for them? this is the purpose the outcome? doesnt make a sense for all non jews... i believe God is just and will address all humanity not only the jews.

Pro- "you as a Muslim don't believe there was ever a time that g-d made the Jews special and unique"
As muslims, we believe that God choose the children of isreal, but we also believe that God didnt neglect the other nations... everyone had the chance to receive God message through the massengers, that every person wont have an excuse on the day of judgement. oeple who didnt hear God's message will have a chance on the last day a test like this world is test Quran 67:2
[He] who created death and life to test you [as to] which of you is best in deed - and He is the Exalted in Might, the Forgiving -

In islam you must believe in God and do good deeds, not only being good person, thats for me makes more sense, why athiest who doesnt care about god will have a share?
Quran 103: By time,Indeed, mankind is in loss,Except for those who have believed and done righteous deeds and advised each other to truth and advised each other to patience.

Pro - ""enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in God" a beautiful sentiment the only question is what's right and wrong."

well right and wrong according to Quran, look without God or religion their is no true morality - its just a human construct, an idea that poeple made up.. but if i say Quran its similar to must of the religions.. like dont kill, dont steal,dont lie, be compassionate stuff like that you know...

Pro- i said it was in a more public setting in the presence of hundreds of thousands of people whereas you as a Muslim accept on faith alone that Mohamed wasn't a charlatan or a mad man."
first of all, you dont really know how many people saw the miracles, it just written in the text... any athiest wont believe so. anyway here i can give you from Islam something like that but its not prove nothing because you cant prove that this incident happened:


The army went hungry on the expedition of Tabuk.the Noble Prophet (PBUH), told them: “Gather whatever food is left in your saddle-bags. Everyone brought a few pieces of dates and put them on a mat. The most they could put together was four handfuls. Then, the Noble Messenger (PBUH) announced: “Everyone bring their dish!” They pressed forward, and no one in the whole army remained with an empty dish, all the dishes were filled. There was even some left over.

Now for non muslims it just a fairy tale, so it doesnt prove nothing.

About preservation of the Turah:
im not saying all what is written is distorted, i can give for an example the in dead sea scrollss there are some texts exactly the same as todays text, but there are many things beside to talk about, im talking through what scholarship is saying. im not forcing my opinion on poeples throat, you can search it. here a new debate on Torah reliability...
https://www.youtube.com...

Pro -" for a Jew means to keep the 613 commandments (it's not as hard as it sounds) and for a non-jew it means to live a upright moral, and ethical (spiritual would be even greater)life based on principles called the seven noahite laws which have many details"

well Judaism and Islam have many things very similar to each other... but i dont know what is have do to with what is the most believable religion.

shalom and back to you again ^^
Debate Round No. 2
mendel

Pro

I will begin my final round with reinstating my argument for the authenticity of Judaism, and demonstrate that your "story" is no comparison.

You see the thing is like this the Jews don't just have a text and claim something happened,they say that it happened to them, to the nation, they were given dozens of commandments to commemorate the exodus from Egypt, They celebrated (and celebrate) the anniversy of the exodus from Egypt every year (as an aside to show how great the celebration was when the holy temple stood in Jerusalem, part of the Passover celebration was the commandment to sacrifice a Pascal lamb (with enough people per lamb to eat it that night) and Josephus (the reporter of the Romans) records that Rome wanted a general count of the Jewish population so they counted the amount of sacrifices brought in the year 65 c.e. it amounted to 256,500 and he writes that to each sacrifice was probably between 10 to 20 people), This is not just a text this is a national experience. (there's more to be said but for this discussion this will suffice.)

Now like i pointed out in my original argument that even if someone disagrees with the argument - That is to say that someone along the line in history came and convinced the Jewish people that they had this experience (and even had the chutzpa to tell them numerous times that this is not something you have to rely on anyone rather this is something you have experienced and seen with your own eyes, i quote you the bible deuteronomy 4:32-35 "For ask now of the days that are past, which were before you, since the day that God created man on the earth, and ask from one end of heaven to the other, whether such a great thing as this has ever happened or was ever heard of. Has any people heard the voice of God speaking from the middle of a fire just as you did, and survived it?. Or has any god ever attempted to go and take a nation for himself from the midst of another nation, by trials, by signs, by wonders, and by war, by a mighty hand and an outstretched arm, and by great deeds of terror, all of which the LORD your God did for you in Egypt before your eyes?. To you it was shown that you might know that the LORD, He is God; there is no other besides Him.") - That"s fine that's his opinion but from an objective perspective Judaism is the most believable over other religions who don't have this argument in their favor.

Your tales are nothing of the kind, I'm a little ignorant of Islam so i checked up the whole thing and heres was i found. In the Muslim faith there"s something called the sahaba these are companions of Mohamed who (supposedly) record what they saw. The collection of these thousands of stories are called the hadith for more details http://en.wikipedia.org.... I'll just quote one piece from the article "Lists of prominent companions usually run to 50 or 60 names, being the people most closely associated with Muhammad. However, there were clearly many others who had some contact with Muhammad, and their names and biographies were recorded in religious reference texts such as Ibn Sa'd al-Baghdadi's (MuM17;ammad ibn Sa'd) early Kitāb at-Tabāqat al-Kabīr (The book of The Major Classes). The book entitled Ist""b f" ma"rifat-il-Ash"b by Hafidh Yusuf bin Muhammad bin Qurtubi (death 1071) consists of 2,770 biographies of male and 381 biographies of female Sahaba."end quote. This particular story you relate is recorded in the name of either Abu huraira or Abu sa'id al khudri http://www.radioislam.org.za... (A.individuals not a national experience,B.one legend among thousands, such an experience with tens of thousands of people wouldn't have been just an obscure legend cluttered together with the rest). Both famous sahabas, abu huraira wrote 5,375 hadith http://en.wikipedia.org... (interesting to note it says in that article that, quote Shi'a tradition rejects the authenticity of Abu Hurairah's hadith, seldom accepting only when there are similar hadith narrated by Sahabah (companions) and family of Muhammad who are considered reliable by Shi"a. End quote). And there's another version of the story in Islamic tradition quoting the daughter of Bashir b. Sa"d, the sister of Numan b. Bashir which describes the story happening with a few companions in the trench http://www.resulullah.org....

In any event there's no need to elaborate how there's no comparison between your legends and Judaism. And just to ask the obvious question, in an army of 30,000 people there was only 4 handfuls of food, sounds weird to me.

"So basically you saying it doesnt matter if you are a Jew or non-Jew... every righteous person eventually will go to heaven." I never said it doesn't matter just because everyone could go to heaven doesn't mean it doesn't matter, religion is not about heaven and rewards (that's not called worshiping g-d that's worshiping yourself) it's about being close to g-d and having a relationship with him, and like i said yes Jews are closer to g-d. But that means closer not that (g-d forbid) a non-jew can't be very close to g-d (The prophet Noah was not a Jew that's why it's called the noahite laws because every person could be as righteous as Noah).

" i believe God is just and will address all humanity not only the jews." Well like i told you Judaism does believe that g-d addressed all of humanity just through the torah and Moses with a set of laws called the seven noahite laws (that was the relevance btw, the point that g-d did address the non-jews.

"As muslims, we believe that God choose the children of isreal." I wish that your coreligionists would feel the same...

"In islam you must believe in God and do good deeds, not only being good person, thats for me makes more sense, why athiest who doesnt care about god will have a share?... look without God or religion their is no true morality - its just a human construct, an idea that poeple made up." Part of the seven noahite laws is believing in g-d, and those laws are commanded by g-d, i don't know what you're responding to.

"im not saying all what is written is distorted, i can give for an example the in dead sea scrolls there are some texts exactly the same as todays text, but there are many things beside to talk about, im talking through what scholarship is saying. im not forcing my opinion on poeples throat, you can search it. here a new debate on Torah reliability... https://www.youtube.com...; I did not have the time to sit through a more than 2 hour debate but being that you mentioned the dead sea scrolls (from 2,000 years ago) here a link that shows the integrity of the bible from the dead sea scrolls. http://www.apologeticspress.org...

shalom and blessing
POPOO5560

Con

Ok last round in brief and conclusion..
Pro - "the anniversy of the exodus from Egypt every year (as an aside to show how great the celebration was when the holy temple stood in Jerusalem, part of the Passover celebration was the commandment to sacrifice a Pascal lamb (with enough people per lamb to eat it that night) and Josephus (the reporter of the Romans) records that Rome wanted a general count of the Jewish population so they counted the amount of sacrifices brought in the year 65 c.e. it amounted to 256,500 and he writes that to each sacrifice was probably between 10 to 20 people), This is not just a text this is a national experience. "

Again, you just bring some celebration that the jews celebrating for something they thought happend in the past. so what? EVERY RELIGION has sometihng like that, because you know only your own religion it doenst mean thats you are right. and by the way it prove nothing. it just a fairy tale, im not saying that. i believe in Moses pbuh, ask athiests.

Pro - "i quote you the bible deuteronomy 4:32-35".
haaa who wrote it? we dont know. it not Moses pbuh as jews believe.the authors of the bible are anonymous. that is scholarship, its very easy to prove it. and again, it just a hearsay for generations above generations, and because some one writes about something it doesnt mean it happened, every religion has stuff like that.

Pro - "Your tales are nothing of the kind" & " the sahaba these are companions of Mohamed who "(supposedly)" record what they saw." "individuals not a national experience,B.one legend among thousands,"

You have nothing to know about Hadiths... lets elaborate. Hadiths are dividing to 3 groups. authentic,good and weak. how we determine the authenticity?

1. Each narrator in the chain of narration must be trustworthy.
2. The chain of narration should be continuous and unbroken from the beginning to end (from person A to person B to person C...)
3.The Hadith, including its isnād (chain of narration), is free of E9;illah (hidden detrimental flaw or flaws, e.g. the establishment that two narrators, although contemporaries, could not have shared the hadith, thereby breaking the isnād.)
4.Each narrator must be reliable in his ability to preserve that narration, be it in his ability to memorize to the extent that he can recall it as he heard it, or, that he has written it as he heard it and has preserved that written document unchanged.
5.The hadith is free of irregularity, meaning that it does not contradict another hadith already established (accepted)

it has stages to remove as possible unauthentic Hadiths, this how we detemine the Hadith, in your religion you dont have that. it just what people say and wrote.

So if i gave you Authentic Hadith it has tested through these stages. its not 1 narrator, is has many. secondly let cast aside this one. here from the Quran - everyone saw it - Contemporaries of Prophet pbuh (the poeple of Mekka,Madina and everybody who lived in arabia at that time:

Quran 105
Have you not considered, [O Muhammad], how your Lord dealt with the companions of the elephant? Did He not make their plan into misguidance?And He sent against them birds in flocks,Striking them with stones of hard clay,And He made them like eaten straw.
how many poeple saw it? the pagans,Biudins the companians... but again today we have only the Quran, and athiests wont believe so. so you point is refuted.

Pro - "Well like i told you Judaism does believe that g-d addressed all of humanity"
No, he didnt. the whole religion is only for Jews, the Torah only talking about and for the jews and all the prophets came for the jews. if you believe that jews is better because they are "jews", it doesnt make anysense. how many times God in Tanahk address by the term "am sgola"? and neglecting all human beings? if that make sense to you good luck my friend.

Pro - ""As muslims, we believe that God choose the children of isreal." I wish that your coreligionists would feel the same..."

Every muslim believes so. because the Quran says so. but it says children of isreal not "jews". if you know we consider the companians of the prophets (peace be upon them all) as muslims in our sight.

Dude most scholars including jews, christains and athiets are agreeing that the bible (Old and New testment) is not preserved. not believe me follow scholarship & academia, check the evidences they showing you. and the writes of the bible are anonymous.


Ending with this, you havent show anything that Judaism make more believable than others, the points you gave are baseless and logical fallacies, opinions of yours.

salam shalom and may God always guide us to the straight path.

Peace
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Dog-e 2 years ago
Dog-e
You, my dear pro, are going to hell.
Posted by mendel 2 years ago
mendel
Mr wylted it's very likely i'll take you up on your offer that would be an interesting twist i wonder what angle you'd be coming at,
Mr lupricona you could argue for whatever religion you want but if you're intention is to debate the famous christian "proofs" from the bible than don't even bother I've been through them all, Even a child could disprove them.
Posted by Kaneo 2 years ago
Kaneo
From what perspective is an "objective perspective" that applies to how believable a collection of beliefs are? Sounds like a perspective that isn't held by anyone anywhere.
Posted by Wylted 2 years ago
Wylted
Mendel, if you don't get a good debate out of this challenge me to the same thing when it's over. I won't be arguing for any Abrahamic religion though. I'd have to agree it's the most rational, out of all the Abrahamic religions.
Posted by Lupricona 2 years ago
Lupricona
I'm a Christian; I'll accept the debate if I can argue that Christianity is more rational that Judaism.
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