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from an official capacity, the catholic church has never contradicted itself

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Started: 11/18/2013 Category: Religion
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dairygirl4u2c

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in this debate, i am not counting the issues of limbo, or "no salvation outside the catholic church". i have reasons not to list here for excluding them.

you would think if the catholic church were not true, that it would have contradicted itself at some point in two thousand years.

the only things that count are statements that are authoritative, things that could be considerted "infallible". the pope, intentionally, teaches, the church, on faith and morals. that is the criteria. it includes many councils and other statements by popes.

note:

-this does not include moral corruption, only official teaching. that means you can't use bad priest, even peodofile priests. it means you can't use the inquisistion where millions were killed by catholics. can't use the sins of past popes. it has to be actual teachings of the church, as said, councils and statements by popes. etc. impeccable v infallble, there's a difference.
-since we are comparing official statements, id rather not use the bible either. it's usually too open to interpretation to begin with. we are examining the church's consistency on its own anyway... and you'd think even beyond the bible, it'd have contradicted itself within two thousand years.
-also there's a differnce between widespread belief and doctrine. that so many believed the earth was made in six days, that the earth was flat, that man wasn't from apes etc... only shows they are human. it'd make sense at first impression. this isn't doctrine. you have to cite a quote or citation.
-there's a difference between practice and doctrine too... preistly celibacy is practice, reading the mass in latin is a practice... etc

also try not to be vague. so many claims of contradiction online are superficial. for example, "papal bull regarding jews", without getting into what exactly is contradicting what etc. if possible, find the quote or citation for what you are referring to.

also I have debated this topic many times in the past, if you would like you may review my profile to see all the points brought up by past debaters etc
GarretKadeDupre

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Hi! Thanks for starting this debate :D The 2 lines that I've underlined and bolded are contradictory. Good luck XD

2357
Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

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Posted by ti_360 3 years ago
ti_360
wow, your basically asking people not to prove you wrong with the proof you fear, so i guess your contradicting yourself already.
Thats not the way debates work and thats certainly not how life works, if your argument is really true then you shoud from a suffiecient intellectual capacity be able to prove it and back it up without fear of the proof given against since youll be able to prove your contender wrong.
But then again evidently you seem to lack the ability to do so given you have lost 201, tied 40, and won 25 debates out of 266.
Posted by Legitdebater 3 years ago
Legitdebater
You should be friends with ADreamOfLiberty, you both like to do the same damn debates over and over again.
Posted by MikeNH 3 years ago
MikeNH
I might accept this debate, but not without knowing why you don't accept the official church doctrine change regarding unbaptized children and limbo. You can't just say "I don't accept that for reasons" when that is one of the most notable and obvious cases that completely disproves your case.
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