from an official capacity, the roman catholic church has never contradicted itself
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you would think if the catholic church were not true, that it would have contradicted itself at some point in two thousand years.
the only things that count are statements that are authoritative, things that could be considerted "infallible". the pope, intentionally, teaches, the church, on faith and morals. that is the criteria. it includes many councils and other statements by popes.
-this does not include moral corruption, only official teaching. that means you can't use bad priest, even peodofile priests. it means you can't use the inquisistion where millions were killed by catholics. can't use the sins of past popes. it has to be actual teachings of the church, as said, councils and statements by popes. etc. impeccable v infallble, there's a difference.
-since we are comparing official statements, id rather not use the bible either. it's usually too open to interpretation to begin with. we are examining the church's consistency on its own anyway... and you'd think even beyond the bible, it'd have contradicted itself within two thousand years.
-also there's a differnce between widespread belief and doctrine. that so many believed the earth was made in six days, that the earth was flat, that man wasn't from apes etc... only shows they are human. it'd make sense at first impression. this isn't doctrine. you have to cite a quote or citation.
-there's a difference between practice and doctrine too... preistly celibacy is practice, reading the mass in latin is a practice... etc
Very good debate topic, thank you for posting this. This provides a very specific and well outlined argument.
My position stands to be, that the Catholic Church has contradicted itself in the course of history. As to stay away from the "weeds," I will rely only on Papal decrees.
The Catholic has contradicted itself in these areas:
Papal Bulls regarding Jews
Stance on what is a Knights Templar is allowed and not
The establishment and oppression of the Society of Jesus
Papal bulls Regarding Jews
1205 AD Etsi Judaeos by Innocent III
Forbids Jews to own Christian slaves
Jews were not forced to convert
Houses of worship were allowed for Jews
1442 AD Super Gregem Dominicum by Eugene IV
Revokes Privileges of Castillian Jews
1145 AD Militia Dei by Eugene III
Allows Knights Templar to accept
bury their dead in their homeland
1308 AD Faciens Misericordium by Clement V
Sets up procedures to persecute the Knights Templar
Society of Jesus
1540 AD Regimini Militantis Ecclesiae by Paul III
Confirms the formation of Society of Jesus
1773 AD Dominus Ac Redemptor Noster by Clement XIV
Permanently and irrevocably suppressing the Society of Jesus
1814 AD Sollicitudo Omnium Ecclesiarum by Pius VII
Re establishes the Society of Jesus
As we can tell the Catholic has contradicted itself in Papal Bulls several times(there are more than I have brought up in the first round). The Papal Bulls are considered "infallible" yet they appear to be fallible as well as some of the councils of the Catholic Church are fallible.
I could go on.
if this list is as strong as you're making it out to be, find the top three, find the cite and quote from the pope where he is contradicting other popes, councils contradicting other councils. and then I will rebut the arguments you've made.
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