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clayander
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imabench
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george bush was a good presidnet

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imabench
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/23/2012 Category: Politics
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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clayander

Pro

George Bush was one of america greatest leaders in American History he did many things
1. He passes massive tax relief for the american people because they needed and that setted off huge job growth for many years he greatly stimulated the economy
2. He freed Iraq took out a very bad man and leader
3. He greatly wiped out al queda and the taliban
4. He worked hard to stop the econmic collaspe
5. he tried to reform socil sercuirty and add life to it
6. he reformed immigration with more security at the border and guest worker program
7. he made america more safe
8. the econmy was booming under him
9. he passed the clean air act that cleaned the air
10. he reformed medicare making it better for millions of seniors
imabench

Con

I accept this debate and intend to show absolutely no mercy >:D


Debate Round No. 1
clayander

Pro

clayander forfeited this round.
imabench

Con

1) " for many years he greatly stimulated the economy"

Yes George Bush stimulated many parts of the economy, he stimulated inflation, he stimulated the national debt to an all time high under his term, he stimulated the inflation of gas prices but most of all he stimulated unemployment from 4% to 8%.

Gas Prices (2001 to 2008)



Inflation (2001 to 2008):



Unemployment:



Bush inherited one of the best economies any president has ever had and left it as one of the worst economies any president could ever inherit....

2) "He freed Iraq took out a very bad man and leader"

A war that he tried to justify by fabricating lies about Saddam having nuclear weapons which they didnt have, saying Al-Qaeda was present in Iraq prior to the invasion of Iraq which was also false, and to this day Iraq is still one of the most failed nations in the world and its economy has still not reached the same levels before the war under Saddam's rule. Meanwhile the war dragged on and on, the economic prosperity that they promised never showed, the war ended up costing hundreds of billions of dollars, and on top of that he tried to use his "Mission Accomplished" strategy to declare Iraq a victory when we didnt leave until just now and still see Iraq as nothing more than a stalemate.

3) "He greatly wiped out al queda and the Taliban"

He didnt wipe out Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, To this day they are still killing civilians and our troops in those hell-holes in the Middle East, and on top of that Obama in four years has killed more top officials of these terrorist organizations than Bush did in 8 years. Bush didnt even make catching Osama Bin Laden a top priority becuase Bush felt that catching Osama was no longer relevant.

http://abcnews.go.com...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com...
^ This is a fun read
http://abcnews.go.com...

4) "He worked hard to stop the econmic collapse"

And he did so well right? (See point 1 for everything he screwed up)

5) "He tried to reform socil sercuirty and add life to it"

When the Republican party controlled the presidency and Congress they made reforming social security their top priority by making it similar to systems seen in 30 other countries, and then it simply died because Bush and his own party disagreed about how it would be implemented. Social Security reform under Bush fell right on its a** and died shortly after which is the exact opposite of what he wanted to do.
http://www.bloomberg.com...

6) "He reformed immigration with more security at the border and guest worker program"

He TRIED to reform immigration by being more lenient towards them, which is the exact opposite of what you claim he did. Bush took a liberal approach to handling immigration by allowing illegal immigrants to work to become legal, but his liberal approach to it (granting them more amnesty when other conservatives wanted to crack down on immigrants more) and then it died just like his social security reform due to lack of support from his own party.

http://www.washingtonpost.com...
http://www.reuters.com...

7) "He made america more safe"

From terrorism? Sure, its pretty easy to do when you sacrifice basic civil rights to let police forces tap your phones without having a warrant (Patriot Act), torturing suspected terrorists (Guantanamo Bay), or basically violating people through security at airports. If you look at safety from economic peril or safety from a mushrooming debt or safety from negative world opinion of the US though Bush has screwed us over on all of those things pretty hard.

8) "The econmy was booming under him"

Until it went Hindenburg on us and fell to the ground in a matter of a month which he tried to solve with massive bailouts to corporations... That ticked off a lot of Americans since their tax dollars were now being used to save billion dollar companies instead of actually fixing the economy.

9) "He passed the clean air act that cleaned the air"

He tried to control industrial air pollution by denouncing the EPA for exceeding its authority, and the initiative, like many of his other plans, fell on its a** and died. Whats ironic though is that Bush actually allowed more harm done to the air by withdrawing the US from the Kyoto protocol which require nations to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

http://www.nytimes.com...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com...

10) "He reformed medicare making it better for millions of seniors"

True. Ill give him credit for making it better.

Lets look at the final score now

Bush victories = 1
Bush screw ups / failures = 9

I dont think a 10% success average is the sign of a good president.....
Debate Round No. 2
clayander

Pro

clayander forfeited this round.
imabench

Con

I extend my arguments
Debate Round No. 3
clayander

Pro

clayander forfeited this round.
imabench

Con

I extend my arguments yet again....
Debate Round No. 4
clayander

Pro

clayander forfeited this round.
imabench

Con

Pro has not given any evidence showing why George Bush was a good president and has forfeited all arguments.

Vote Con
Debate Round No. 5
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Microsuck
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro forfeited. After the opening argument, con deserves all 7 points.