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Kasrahalteth
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george w. bush is the president of the united states

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Started: 12/27/2007 Category: Politics
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 1,415 times Debate No: 1065
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dairygirl4u2c

Pro

assuming we can know reality. and assuming what we're told is true.

it seems there's a dissenter for every topic. lets see if we can find one here.
Kasrahalteth

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Okay, I can't resist. This debate ought to be hilarious.

First of all, there are 509 people in America alone named George Bush. They can't all be president. Therefore although George Bush may be the president there is only a 0.2% chance that he actually is.

Therefore the overwhelming majority of George Bushes are not the president.

And when you consider that George Bush wasn't voted into office, the statistics get even tougher. The George Bush that was elected into office didn't win the popular vote. Al Gore did. Not that the popular vote generally matters, but it's worth mentioning that the majority of the country did not vote for George Bush.

George Bush also would not have won the electoral vote if it were not for the recounts in Florida, and of course a good amount of controversy surrounds this, because his brother was the governor of Florida and it came to light afterwards that entire communities of voters that traditionally voted for democrats were locked out on voting day. So you can definitely make the argument that George Bush is not president. Al Gore is.

And if you want to argue that he was legally elected the second time, I have to say that he already cheated in a presidential election and therefore has committed treason and therefore should be in prison.

Look at all the time he's been spending on that ranch of his. Do we really know he's there? I think he's secretly on the run from the government, always fleeing the White House when they take enough time off of investigating the lack of WMDs in Iraq to try to capture him again.

Maybe that's why he has that ranch. It's huge. I bet the other 508 George Bushes are there, ready to scatter all over the country to throw off the groups investigating the one illegally in office.

Okay. Obviously I'm kidding with part of this. My next argument will get a bit more serious.
Debate Round No. 1
dairygirl4u2c

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dairygirl4u2c forfeited this round.
Kasrahalteth

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Whee. No response. Oh well, I owe it to myself to continue if nothing else. So I've had my fun and I'll now fully elaborate on my argument.

So anyhow. Bush is not the president of the United States because he was elected under false premises. He wasn't actually elected at all, and only won through corrupt government in Florida, a biased Supreme Court and FOX news. And if he wasn't legally elected the first time, the fact that he was reelected is somewhat of a moot point. He already broke the law and should be removed from office.

So, let's elaborate on my three reasons, shall we?

More than 80% of African-Americans in the US are democrats. In predominantly black communities in Florida, polls were often closed early or were too small to accommodate voters. The counting machines used in those polls were very old, and tossed thousands of votes away uncounted. These counting machines were used almost exclusively in black communities. Blanket letters were sent to people living in Florida telling them that they lost the ability to vote for committing any crimes in the past. This holds true for ex-felons, but it lead some citizens to believe that they couldn't vote because of something as simple as a traffic violation. Florida state troopers actually put a road block in front of one polling station.

Obviously, since thousands of votes were literally thrown away and Bush only won by 537 votes, Al Gore could easily have won if those votes were actually counted. Especially when you consider that 80% of those missing votes were probably for Al Gore.

Of course, there was the whole matter of the ballots as well, which proved confusing to many voters. Many believed they were voting for Al Gore when they were really punching the card for an obscure independent-party candidate. But if we give the everyone the benefit of a doubt in this case, and assume that the ballots weren't intentionally confusing (though they almost certainly were), there's still the problem with not counting the votes the old counting machines lost.

The recounts in Florida were stopped by the Supreme Court with a 5-4 victory. One of the judges was appointed by George H. Bush. The judge's son was a part of the legal firm representing George W. Bush. There's going to be a good amount of bias there, obviously. That judge had a vested interest in George Bush winning the election. If that judge had been someone else, the recounts may have continued. And if they counted the votes discarded by counting machines, Al Gore would have won.

And this may be my favorite example, because it can show you how much effect a news channel can have on people's perceptions. FOX news was the first to report that Bush had won the election, even at a point where it would have been impossible to know. They went to court and apologized for this afterward, but naturally the damage was already done. To keep up with FOX, other news channels also began to report that Bush had won the election. To keep up with those channels, other channels also began to report that Bush won. FOX actually started a chain reaction that tipped general opinion in favor of Bush and as a result, changed the outcome of the proceedings afterwards.

And for good measure, the governor of Florida was Bush's brother, and the person in charge of certifying the winner of the Florida vote was also his party's campaign co-chair. If there's not any corruption there, I'd be amazed.

Please respond. Debating by myself is pretty boring.
Debate Round No. 2
dairygirl4u2c

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dairygirl4u2c forfeited this round.
Kasrahalteth

Con

This could have been a really interesting debate if you actually responded. Oh well. Since none of my arguments were refuted, I don't have much else to say. I guess I'll summarize.

George Bush is not the president of the United States because:
1) Thousands of votes that were probably for Al Gore were thrown away. Bush only won Florida by 537 votes.
2) Ballots were confusing.
3) Recounts were stopped. The tiebreaking vote was cast by a Supreme Court justice with a vested interest in Bush winning the election.
4) FOX news.
5) This all renders his reelection moot.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Kasrahalteth 5 years ago
Kasrahalteth
Debategod, don't be too envious. My opponent said four sentences and disappeared.

And the plan is to argue that Al Gore was legally elected. Just, admit it, when your opponent doesn't say anything, it's far too easy to have a little fun.
Posted by sethgecko13 5 years ago
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There are a couple of other directions one could go with this debate as well:

- One could easily argue that that Al Gore technically won the 2000 election, so therefore Bush's 2004 re-election would have been virtually impossible (hence making his current standing as president of the US invalid).

- One could also argue that Bush is an irrelevant figurehead in the Administration and that the actual president is Dick Cheney who has (by anyone's standard) overtly asserted the most power of any vice president in US history (and probably even more power covertly).

Interesting.
Posted by policydebategod 5 years ago
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kasra, if you cant debate, dont try. i would have gladly accepted this debate.
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