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robin.murphy1999
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GoogooGaga
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god doesn't deserve your worship - to all religions

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Started: 9/4/2016 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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robin.murphy1999

Pro

let us assume god does exist. - why should you worship the deity anyways? perhaps this is a question but take it as a statement. I cant add much of a description without leaking some of my point which would leave me nothing to post on the debate turns so just read within here.
GoogooGaga

Con

PLEASE LISTEN TO THE THEME-SONG, IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT ===>
Alright, so we're assuming god does exist. Why should I worship him?

Well because I see the best in him. in my eyes he's a misunderstoodnarcissist with the best of intentions deep down but he's also coping with split personality disorder, the poor guy got more personalities than followers, you get what I'm saying? God is a different thing for everyone but the definition of what he is is that which one would worship if he/she/it were real. He/she/it represents all that someone would consider worthy of an overlord of reality and thus since God is definitively deserving of worship simply by what he is if we assume he is real on top of being defined as that, then this debate has basically been lost at the very shallow level of semantics.
Debate Round No. 1
robin.murphy1999

Pro

" God is a different thing for everyone but the definition of what he is is that which one would worship if he/she/it were real" this may be your definition of what a god is. throughout history within religious sacred texts god has been seen as the creator of everything, the architect, the carpenter. in the Christianity, Islam, Buddhism he is seen as the creator and sustainer of all that exists in which case god can be defined as the manifestation of the divine attribute of being the creator. god is seen to be an omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent being by all religions and this is where my argument comes in.

validating the existence of such a being, then comes into question the reasons for worshiping the deity, the reasons vary for different religions but the big three are that devotion to god and the laws of god grants you in death entry to paradise and the souls who do not accept god are then banished to the underworld of eternal suffering. or that they must express their gratitude for good luck brought upon them in their lives by god, or to bring forth this luck upon them in the future (prayers). and lastly that they feel safer knowing that there is a divine being and that all of your misfortune and luck 'is all a part of gods master plan' and that got truly loves his little creations.

now we ask the question, if god truly loves me then why would this omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent being allow evil to exist? some religions have a concept of an anti god or 'devil' that is not omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent basically not gods equal, and yet still exists. why does god allow evil to exist? why does god allow the devil to tempt the week, the demons to posses the strong. if god has the power to vanquish them. and so is undeserving of your alliance.
GoogooGaga

Con

God doesn't just allow evil to exist. There is actually no such thing as evil and good outside of God's mind. God judges people based on a strange set of ethics that differs slightly from each sect of religion to another (as well as from each religion to another). In reality, there is nothing evil about a rapist raping someone since God made them do it as he controlled their life events and their brain's psychological state to make them want to do it at that moment. He also positioned the victim to look how they did, be where they were and react how they reacted.

The matter of God being good or evil is something which first requires you to buy into the idea of good and evil being a thing in the first place. Since there is no good and evil outside of a reality that a God created, by using the term 'evil' to apply to God you are admitting that God's teachings are accurate and thus you are accepting God's word as true. This implies that you would also buy into the whole 'God is almighty' and other assertions of all religions. You are wrong about Buddhism though, in Buddhism God isn't a creator or sustainer, God is a force in all of us and each soul is actually a tiny fraction or section of God itself.

God doesn't just allow the devil to tempt the weak, he controls everything and makes the devil tempt them. There are no accidents, God made all that happens happen. This is the sheer scope of his power and that itself should be reason to respect and be in awe of him/her/it.

Why would God vanquish demons? He made them in the first place.
Debate Round No. 2
robin.murphy1999

Pro

"there is nothing evil about a rapist raping someone ", if this truly is the ethics of god, why worship god?

" good and evil being a thing in the first place" - this is human nature, why else do we have law, this 'reality god created' allows us to differentiate good from bad, we as the creations of god are able to identify them and so indirectly it was too created by god, but that doesn't mean they are the same thing. everything you just said in your previous statement just proves my point why worship the god who doesn't just allow the devil to tempt the weak, he controls everything and makes the devil tempt them, then sends you to hell for actually doing what he wants? and according to you we should be in awe of how incredible gods strangle hold on our destiny is and simply accept, no even worship god for this fact, its almost like admiring a diplomat for dictating your own country to war and ruin then campaign for their re-election.

why worship the being who created the demons to haunt and destroy our souls?
GoogooGaga

Con

"there is nothing evil about a rapist raping someone ", if this truly is the ethics of god, why worship god?
Just because you disagree with your friend doesn't mean you can't like them. Just because you disagree with your enemy doesn't mean you like them. Just because you disagree with God doesn't mean you can't adore and respect him to a level that we consider worship. I simply can say I enjoy worshipping God and that is reason enough.

this is human nature, why else do we have law
There is no criminal on Earth who doesn't think what they are doing is a 'good' idea or thing to do when they do it. Good and bad/evil are purely subjective notions. To the mother stealing for her family to eat, she's doing a very good thing, this has nothing to do with law.

this 'reality god created' allows us to differentiate good from bad
No it doesn't. Good is what god says is good, there is no part of the equation where one's own morals should form. If they do, one is worshipping God nonetheless but simply altering what God really meant from what the scripture directly says.

why worship the being who created the demons to haunt and destroy our souls?
If that being is capable of doing all that, imagine what it is capable of doing to you if you don't worship it. Avoiding unfathomably severe punishment is motive enough.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by whiteflame 1 year ago
whiteflame
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>Reported vote: Trombonist// Mod action: Removed<

3 points to Pro (Arguments), 1 point to Con (S&G). Reasons for voting decision: Both contenders were very polite, so that point is a tie. Pro did not always capitalize their letters, so the grammar point goes to Con. No sources were used, so that point is a tie as well. Where I disagree with Con is when he said God controls the rapist and that there is no good and evil. In my opinion, there is good and evil in that many religions clearly specify what is good and what is evil. For example, the ten commandments. I agree that God should be worshipped, but I believe that Pro had the better argument in this debate.

[*Reason for removal*] (1) S&G is insufficiently explained. A failure to capitalize some letters does not establish that those arguments were difficult to read as a result, which is the threshold for awarding this point. (2) Arguments are insufficiently explained. While the voter clearly does have strong opinions on this matter, the voter has to base their decision in arguments made within the debate and not in arguments of their own. The voter must assess specific arguments made by both sides, and come to a decision on that basis.
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Posted by Pakkauburntmoon 1 year ago
Pakkauburntmoon
that means you don't deserve your own worship
Posted by canis 1 year ago
canis
It is not about the worship of a god that does not exist. But the worship of a book...
Posted by CuriousFear 1 year ago
CuriousFear
I fully disagree with Robin here in every single way.
Posted by PowerPikachu21 1 year ago
PowerPikachu21
I fully agree with this. Even if God exists, why worship him? What did He do for our sins?
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