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Started: 11/28/2010 Category: Science
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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kgftw

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God does exist you can not disprove that only prove that there is no need for a god.
J.Kenyon

Con

Because Pro hasn't specified which God we are discussing, I assume it is the Abrahamic God.

C1 - Absence of evidence

Pro claims "you can not disprove that only prove that there is no need for a god." This is not true. Absence of evidence for X counts against the existence of X just in case we should expect to find more evidence for X if X actually exists. Suppose that if God exists, it is very likely that we should find a certain kind of evidence. By contrast, if God does not exist, it is very un-likely we should find such evidence. If no evidence is found and all other factors are equal, following Baye's theorem, it is probable that God does not exist.[1] It is rational to assume that we should expect to find some sort of evidence for the existence of God, and Pro has not bothered to provide any. Unless and until he does so, absence of evidence is indeed evidence of absence.

C2 - The problem of evil

William Rowe's evidential argument from evil is considered the "gold standard" of its kind in contemporary philosophical circles.[2] It is as follows:

(1) There probably exist instances of intense suffering which an omnipotent, omniscient being could have prevented without thereby losing some greater good or permitting some evil equally bad or worse.
(2) An omniscient, wholly good being would prevent the occurrence of any intense suffering it could, unless it could not do so without thereby losing some greater good or permitting some evil equally bad or worse.
.:. Therefore, there probably does not exist an omnipotent, omniscient, wholly good being.

Examples of gratuitous suffering that support the first premise might include plagues, earthquakes, hurricanes, world wars, and the Holocaust. The second premise is uncontroversial.

-- References --

1. http://blog.sigfpe.com...

2. http://www.iep.utm.edu...
Debate Round No. 1
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Posted by Elmakai 6 years ago
Elmakai
@Postup: Well said. Sometimes I forget that it is easier to form an argument when your opponent actually gives you something as opposed to nothing. Yet, J.Kenyon did well.
Posted by Ore_Ele 6 years ago
Ore_Ele
wow...
Posted by popculturepooka 6 years ago
popculturepooka
How'd I miss this one? Good Lord...
Posted by Postup10101 6 years ago
Postup10101
This maybe the worst debate i have ever seen lol. J. Kenyon still did great, but he had nothing to work with.
Posted by Freeman 6 years ago
Freeman
kgftw, why start a debate if you're not interested in making an argument?
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