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MorningSpirit
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goku vs superman goku stomps mad carzy 5

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nerosmoke
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/8/2014 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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nerosmoke

Pro

superman lost to batman aquaman and muhammad ali goku would beat him
#LanternCanWhupSuperman

To Summarize my argument Goku is a born fighter, and has the power, speed and strength to take down Superman.

Gokus techniques such as Ki blasts and Maniuplation, Instant Transmission, Combat sense, the Dragon Fist, and Telekensis trump Superman's abilites.

Goku's destructive power is insane, and rivaled by cosmic beings and God's. Goku can blow up planets with ease, and could blow up a large portion of the Galaxy at full power SSJ3.

Superman has never come close to that power.
When Goku can use Ki to bolster there already insane hitting power, Goku literally shakes the planet by the shockwaves his punches produces.

Goku's combat speed and Instant Transmission are way beyond Superman's level, showing how in base he can go FTL the Super Sayain forms would be even faster. In a fight, combat speed Goku is unmatched.
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gotanks flyig around the earth in seconds
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and goku fought on par with buu

Goku martial arts and fighting techniques completely surpass Superman.
Frieza can survive Namek exploding with his body chopped in half, SSJ Goku can do it easily.

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Combined these factors and it concludes to Goku beating Superman. Anything at SSj2 level or above is enough to put down Superman.

Goku is a galaxy buster - but while it's never shown him destroying Galaxies, it's been stated by many characters that he and his (later) enemies could destroy whole Galaxies. What we do know for a fact however, is that Goku could destroy planets easily in ANY form;

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Combat skill. While some writers have attempted to give Superman some training in martial arts, his fighting style is still primarily that of a brawler. It would be a huge stretch to call Superman an "expert" at martial arts (although some would argue that). In any event, Goku has a tremendous advantage in terms of technique over Superman






* Combat speed. Pretty much all combat in DBZ (and the whole second half of the original as well) is portrayed at occuring at hyper speeds. The exact upper limit on just how fast is not really explored, but considering that most characters display the ability to dematerialize to move faster than would otherwise be physically possible, it's not unreasonable to believe it could reach light speeds. as in will show The entire fight occurs at those speeds.

Superman, on the other hand, has shown mostly straight ahead attacks when speed blitzing. While it's understandable that some will think Superman has the speed advantage, in my estimation at short range Goku has a sizable advantage-- even against the mighty Silver Age Superman.

Superman cannot react and fight at the speed he travels, this is constantly shown throughout the comics. Failing to catch minigun fire.

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* Energy projection. Goku has matched energy against beings who have shown the power to destroy worlds (some of them effortlessly) and gone millions of times beyond that inner power level. Whether that translates into millions of times that output or not is unclear, but assuming a small scale increase in output, Goku would still be capable of destroying pretty much any size world. This level of destructive force should be too great for Post-Crisis or even Modern Age Superman.

Combat skill. While some writers have attempted to give Superman some training in martial arts, his fighting style is still primarily that of a brawler. It would be a huge stretch to call Superman an "expert" at martial arts (although some would argue that). In any event, Goku has a tremendous advantage in terms of technique over Superman Superman's heat ray vision does not compare favorably.

* Energy sense. Goku is able to repress his power signature and evade detection. Superman has shown no such power. Goku would be warned of any sneak attack. * Dematerializing and Instant Transmission. Goku has repeatedly used this in combat to gain advantage or take away an opponent's advantage. It even works to negate Goku's greater than light speed long distance travel advantage.

Ki Sense is the ability to detect a person's Ki from great distances. Goku can detect people across the planet with ease. Now it is unsure whether Goku would detect Superman's KI, but Ki is living aura, everyone has it. The average human has a Power Level of 5, and Goku could sense other alies from across the Galaxy. So sensing Superman's Ki wouldn't be any different.

Also Superman can detect Goku with enhanced sense, so there would be no hiding on ether side. (Not that they would want to)

Was able to pinpoint Bulma's KI out of billions of people on Earth
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Additional Details, Saiyans CAN survive in space, reference Vegeta and Nappa destroying the planet Arlia from outer space.

Goku could use the Spirit Bombalso the sprit bomb cam kill any thing

instant Tranmission
Goku's most versatile techniques. It's teleportation that can be used for multiple effects. It's so fast Goku can travel across the Galaxy and hit Namek in an instant.
Now lets see The ship tog et to Namek
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It took the Spaceship a couple of seconds to reach Jupiter and it takes light 32-54 minutes to reach Juptier from Earth.
Therefore the Spaceship >>>>>>>>>> faster then Light Speed Travel
And Since it took the ship over 10 days to get to Namek, and Goku traveled to Namek in an instant, from King kai's planet.
Using the Instant Tranmission to travel across the galaxy, and between dimensons to Namek. His Instant Transmission speed is thousands of times faster then light, and can be used to cross dimensions between living and dead.

This would be a huge factor and requires little to no Ki. Goku has trained to use it without putting a finger to his head.

goku can draw power from the sun the same as superman

also superman had help to move the planet and could only move it a bit with the JL with no help superman could not move it superman is weaker as his powers are from the sun a near infinite power source that goku could destroy even with the sun

superman is no mach for goku superman is unable to destrory the earth with out the power of the sun while goku could with his own power superman has no combat ability and was beat by an non power karate kid even with the power of the sun And considering that the Earth"s atmosphere reflects and absorbs 2/3rds of all solar radiation Superman should only be capable of on the of have of what he would be able to do in space superman great feat of moveing 1/3 of the earth with the jla even in space still the only way superman could even stand a close to goku

The IMP is an ability granted by the Speed Force and utilizing its power. As the flash called it, he's accessing speed heaven. The speed force is what allows the flash to run at light speed and protects him from the affects of moving that fast.
Superman's strength comes from the sun, which is big an pretty much infinite, but there is only so much of that energy he can store in himself, even after a sundip. He has an upper limit.
The Flash's relativistic punches come from E = MC". C is constant. And considering that the Flash can go faster than light, E is essentially infinite, making his mass and thus the power of his punch also infinite.
In other words.

Superman can punch really hard, and he can fly really fast, but his power is instant. He can't move fast enough to stop time, but the flash can. The flashs punch strength with the IMP is infinite.

Superman could certainly do a speed strike, which is using the speed of travel to increase the mass of the punch, but he can't do the infinite mass punch because his power Is limited. The flash has access to the infinite speed force.

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busting a dark moon almost killed him

the question is who is faster goku or superman how fast is goku lets look when an object that moves faster than the speed of light. However if you know Einsteins theory of relativity ( E= mc2, where c=speed of light). As you move at or near the speed of light light, you mass becomes infinitely large. which means you would need an infinite source of increasing energy in order to keep moving., in order for something to be truly invisible to the human eye it would have to be moving at the speed of light However Einsteins theory means nothing in comic context.

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something to be truly invisible to the human eye it would have to be moving at the speed of light.

MorningSpirit

Con

Death Battle, which is a YouTube show that examines all provided and most acceptable data on fictional characters has worked diligently and tirelessly to examine all the data between Goku and Superman. Their evidence shows that Superman would be the victor if they were to fight. It's also pretty compelling and concrete evidence. I'm a big fan of Goku but I'm a bigger fan of science, facts, and reason. Here's the clip:

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In the clip (after the battle) you see the exact calculations for their strength, speed, and durability and it reads as follows:

Strength Speed Durability

Goku 160,000 tons 2.5 billion km/hr 34.7 sextillion megatons

Superman 6.6 quintillion tons 9.4 billion km/hr 10 octillion megatons

If this carefully concluded evidence does not convince you then I can't convince you because you're not convinced by logic. The people making these calculations had no biases. These are as exact as possible for these two warriors. Sorry. I thought Goku might win too.
Debate Round No. 1
nerosmoke

Pro

death battle is a you tube show and is hardy professional after I could have a you tube video (I have seen the video)

The people making these calculations had no biases. interview with Chad said he had no idea about goku. he was almost put on a ninja top ten list because thay have so little knowledge for goku

IT's also pretty compelling and concrete evidence. it is also ripe with errors that any one who has read superman comics or watched dragon ball would know if they were not bias

Their evidence shows that Superman would be the victor if they were to i have also posted in my frist post facts and evidence in my frist post that goku would be the winner in a fight

death battle errors
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Strength Speed Durability

Goku 160,000 tons 2.5 billion km/hr 34.7 sextillion megatons

Superman 6.6 quintillion tons 9.4 billion km/hr 10 octillion megatons

i ask you to please explain this math and where does this come from (as i am sure you can not becouse i have had this debate before) and so please explain the death batte math in your next post

i ask you to check this math check if you are not bias you self

math check
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MorningSpirit

Con

If you saw the video you'd know exactly where the math comes from because it's thoroughly explained.
Debate Round No. 2
nerosmoke

Pro

If you saw the video you'd know exactly where the math comes from because it's thoroughly explained.

i have seen the video i also know the math the question is do you? and have had this debate many times before you state or assert that something is the case, without providing evidence or proof.

so this math you claim show it to me explain it if you claim it prove it
MorningSpirit

Con

I posted the link
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by nerosmoke 2 years ago
nerosmoke
and one more thing I like 5 round debates because this is 3 I put me off a bit

this is from Ben twitter and is said the arbitrary measurements in death battle did not matter

based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system

is also shows bias by saying supersayin god mode would not change the fight (I have proved this before in debates that is stronger than ssj4)

it also said superman won because of his character not because if stats

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so I asked con something that could not be done
Posted by nerosmoke 2 years ago
nerosmoke
con clearly could not understand the math death battle used as it would make no since also as I clearly lay down in my first post clear points for this debate con likely could not understand that either

http://www.screwattack.com...

that is a clear explains for this problem as well as the other links I have posted
Posted by nerosmoke 2 years ago
nerosmoke
it number 5 becouse superman cant beat goku
Posted by ANONYMOUS2282 2 years ago
ANONYMOUS2282
dude.... tomatoes are veges cause aliens dont wear hats and cause your block has a pirate flag for the lava that might hit the sun and overcook eggs are disgusting

your argument is invalid

duuude i should make a debate about that I CALLED IT no1 will take it
Posted by nerosmoke 2 years ago
nerosmoke
WishIWasSuperman kinda
Posted by WishIWasSuperman 2 years ago
WishIWasSuperman
Question - are all versions of Superman and continuity valid?
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