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goku vs superman goku stomps mad carzy

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nerosmoke

Pro

superman lost to batman aquaman and muhammad ali goku would beat him
#LanternCanWhupSuperman
To Summarize my argument Goku is a born fighter, and has the power, speed and strength to take down Superman.
Gokus techniques such as Ki blasts and Maniuplation, Instant Transmission, Combat sense, the Dragon Fist, and Telekensis trump Superman's abilites.
Goku's destructive power is insane, and rivaled by cosmic beings and God's. Goku can blow up planets with ease, and could blow up a large portion of the Galaxy at full power SSJ3. Superman has never come close to that power.
When Goku can use Ki to bolster there already insane hitting power, Goku literally shakes the planet by the shockwaves his punches produces.
Goku's combat speed and Instant Transmission are way beyond Superman's level, showing how in base he can go FTL the Super Sayain forms would be even faster. In a fight, combat speed Goku is unmatched.
Goku martial arts and fighting techniques completely surpass Superman.
Frieza can survive Namek exploding with his body chopped in half, SSJ Goku can do it easily.
Combined these factors and it concludes to Goku beating Superman. Anything at SSj2 level or above is enough to put down Superman.
Goku is a galaxy buster - but while it's never shown him destroying Galaxies, it's been stated by many characters that he and his (later) enemies could destroy whole Galaxies. What we do know for a fact however, is that Goku could destroy planets easily in ANY form; Combat skill. While some writers have attempted to give Superman some training in martial arts, his fighting style is still primarily that of a brawler. It would be a huge stretch to call Superman an "expert" at martial arts (although some would argue that). In any event, Goku has a tremendous advantage in terms of technique over Superman
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* Combat speed. Pretty much all combat in DBZ (and the whole second half of the original as well) is portrayed at occuring at hyper speeds. The exact upper limit on just how fast is not really explored, but considering that most characters display the ability to dematerialize to move faster than would otherwise be physically possible, it's not unreasonable to believe it could reach light speeds. as in will show The entire fight occurs at those speeds. Superman, on the other hand, has shown mostly straight ahead attacks when speed blitzing. While it's understandable that some will think Superman has the speed advantage, in my estimation at short range Goku has a sizable advantage-- even against the mighty Silver Age Superman.
* Energy projection. Goku has matched energy against beings who have shown the power to destroy worlds (some of them effortlessly) and gone millions of times beyond that inner power level. Whether that translates into millions of times that output or not is unclear, but assuming a small scale increase in output, Goku would still be capable of destroying pretty much any size world. This level of destructive force should be too great for Post-Crisis or even Modern Age Superman. Combat skill. While some writers have attempted to give Superman some training in martial arts, his fighting style is still primarily that of a brawler. It would be a huge stretch to call Superman an "expert" at martial arts (although some would argue that). In any event, Goku has a tremendous advantage in terms of technique over Superman Superman's heat ray vision does not compare favorably.
* Energy sense. Goku is able to repress his power signature and evade detection. Superman has shown no such power. Goku would be warned of any sneak attack. * Dematerializing and Instant Transmission. Goku has repeatedly used this in combat to gain advantage or take away an opponent's advantage. It even works to negate Goku's greater than light speed long distance travel advantage.
Ki Sense is the ability to detect a person's Ki from great distances. Goku can detect people across the planet with ease. Now it is unsure whether Goku would detect Superman's KI, but Ki is living aura, everyone has it. The average human has a Power Level of 5, and Goku could sense other alies from across the Galaxy. So sensing Superman's Ki wouldn't be any different.
Also Superman can detect Goku with enhanced sense, so there would be no hiding on ether side. (Not that they would want to)
Was able to pinpoint Bulma's KI out of billions of people on Earth
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Additional Details, Saiyans CAN survive in space, reference Vegeta and Nappa destroying the planet Arlia from outer space. Goku could use the Spirit Bombalso the sprit bomb cam kill any thing
instant Tranmission
Goku's most versatile techniques. It's teleportation that can be used for multiple effects. It's so fast Goku can travel across the Galaxy and hit Namek in an instant.
Now lets see The ship tog et to Namek
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It took the Spaceship a couple of seconds to reach Jupiter and it takes light 32-54 minutes to reach Juptier from Earth.
Therefore the Spaceship >>>>>>>>>> faster then Light Speed Travel
And Since it took the ship over 10 days to get to Namek, and Goku traveled to Namek in an instant, from King kai's planet.
Using the Instant Tranmission to travel across the galaxy, and between dimensons to Namek. His Instant Transmission speed is thousands of times faster then light, and can be used to cross dimensions between living and dead. This would be a huge factor and requires little to no Ki. Goku has trained to use it without putting a finger to his head.
superman can move a planet goku can make a sprit bomb the size of a planet how would superman move that goku can draw power from the sun the same as superman also superman had help to move the planet and could only move it a bit with the JL with no help superman could not move it superman is weaker as his powers are from the sun a near infinare power sourse that goku could destroy even with the sun superman is no mach for goku superman is unable to destrory the earth with out the power of the sun while goku could with his own power superman has no combat ability and was beat by an non power karate kid even with the power of the sun And considering that the Earth"s atmosphere reflects and absorbs 2/3rds of all solar radiation Superman should only be capable of on the of have of what he would be able to do in space superman greates feat of moveing 1/3 of the earth with the jla even in space still the only way supeman could even stand a close to goku The IMP is an ability granted by the Speed Force and utilizing its power. As the flash called it, he's accessing speed heaven. The speed force is what allows the flash to run at light speed and protects him from the affects of moving that fast.
Superman's strength comes from the sun, which is big an pretty much infinite, but there is only so much of that energy he can store in himself, even after a sundip. He has an upper limit.
The Flash's relativistic punches come from E = MC". C is constant. And considering that the Flash can go faster than light, E is essentially infinite, making his mass and thus the power of his punch also infinite.
In other words.
Superman can punch really hard, and he can fly really fast, but his power is instant. He can't move fast enough to stop time, but the flash can. The flashs punch strength with the IMP is infinite.
Superman could certainly do a speed strike, which is using the speed of travel to increase the mass of the punch, but he can't do the infinite mass punch because his power Is limited. The flash has access to the infinite speed force.
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the question is who is faster goku or superman how fast is goku lets look
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now how fast is that There is "true" invisibility, that happens when an object that moves faster than the speed of light. However this may not be possible if you know Einsteins theory of relativity ( E= mc2, where c=speed of light). As you move at or near the speed of light light, you mass becomes infinitely large, which means you would need an infinite source of increasing energy in order to keep moving.
However Einsteins theory means nothing in comic context. He told me there is also the ability to be "invisible" to the eye and not be moving at the speed of light. This is an optical illusion-- the object is invisible if it moves faster than the eye/brain can process the images.
Perception - the registration of physically present stimuli.
We only see things that move every 1/24 of a second (we don't really see motion jut the illusion of movement, if it moves.... this is only the persistence of the previous images). If the object moves faster than 1/24th of a second, than it will be invisible to the human eye. I then I asked him, If someone was running down your street how fast they would have to be in order to be invisible to your eye's. He responded saying in order for something to be truly invisible to the human eye it would have to be moving at the speed of light. The thing that gives us the ability to see things, is the reflection of light upon objects. If someone or something was moving faster than light the would truly be invisible due to the fact that no light could reflect upon them. So yes, If something was running in front of you and they were invisible to your eye they would have to be running above the speed of light, other wise they wee never truly invisible in the first place it would only be an optical illusion.

But to actualy BE invisible you would have to move faster than light
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HyugaNeji45

Con

I accept the debate and I hope we both remain respectful.
Debate Round No. 1
nerosmoke

Pro

will do

(but this allways is the same some said something from death battle then i say that was wrong lets do something else ok)
HyugaNeji45

Con

HyugaNeji45 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
nerosmoke

Pro

ok I will take this time to say in my last debate it come down to goku blow up the sun superman dies

1 the guy said goku is dumb

I accept the debate and I hope we both remain respectful.

so don't say that because is not respectful

2

the guy said this

even if he was smart enough to blow up the sun, like the death battle said, the supernova would blast past Mars, killing him too. So either Superman wins, or they both die. End of discussion.

goku can teleport any were

superman can only win by dieing
HyugaNeji45

Con

(I won't be directly quoting or citing the Death Battle, though I may base some of my arguments upon the aforementioned video. Also, I will be using the Pre-Crisis Superman as the contender, as I believe we should use evenly matched opponents)

To begin, I would like to list off a small selection of Superman's extensive range of abilities.

-Solar-Powered: Superman draws his power from the sun, a yellow star, which grants him his inhuman abilities. The closer Superman gets to the sun, the stronger he becomes. If, say, he were to go inside the sun, his power would grow exponentially, allowing him to effortlessly move planets with either hand.

-Super Strength: Within the comic books, Superman is seen moving mountains, pulling planets, bending steel, etc. This makes him the strongest being in the DC universe. Of course, Superman's power does not stop there. When in direct contact with vast amounts of yellow sunlight (probably within the confines of outer space) his strength grows to incalculable levels, so much so that he could destroy galaxies and planets with relative ease. Keep in mind, please, that such a situation could only occur when Superman is fairly close to the sun; at least in Earth's ionosphere.

-Super Speed: In terms of speed, the only being faster than Superman is the Flash, who, for a time, was actually slower than Superman, according to Wally West. At his fastest, when not in any direct sunlight, Superman could run at speeds upward of two thousand miles per second. Now, I'm not entirely sure how fast Superman is in simple numbers, but I can give two prime examples that prove his superior speed: Superman is credited with traveling from Earth to one of Saturn's moons in under four minutes--five times faster than the speed of light. Also, in Superman: Red Son, he is claimed to move at speeds ten times faster than the speed of thought.

-Combat Ability: Contrary to what Pro originally stated, Superman has been trained in extensively in martial arts, though Goku's training is superior, except not to such a serious extent. Superman was taught by Mongul in the fighting arts, Wildcat in boxing, Wonder Woman in general combat, and Batman, who is, without a doubt, the best hand-to-hand combatant in the DC universe.

-Invulnerability: Among Superman's most useful abilities is his complete invulnerability. Superman's native people, the Kryptonians, have a molecular structure comparable to titanium, and emit an aura of impenetrable solar energy.

With that, I will (hopefully) counter each of your arguments in bullet form

-Goku can only use Instant Transmission when he is very concentrated. There is no way he could concentrate fully on teleporting away from/around Superman, when the latter is most likely hurling a barrage of strikes. Also, Instant Transmission is speed-based technique; it sends the user into a pocket dimension from which they can travel anywhere(http://dragonball.wikia.com...)

-Superman can survive in space also. Judging from intuition, I can guess that, at some point, the fight will move to space, if not beginning there.

-The Spirit Bomb, while not only taking WAY too long to charge, would not hit Superman, as he is pure of heart, and would deflect it easily. (http://dragonball.wikia.com...)

-There really is no limit of how much solar energy Superman can store inside himself.

-Superman, contrary to what Pro stated, can use the Infinite Mass Punch, as he can travel faster than speed of light.

-I don't really understand the necessity for your entire explanation of perception, though I'll just assume I'm missing something here.

-I won't say Goku is dumb, though you must understand he never had a day of formal schooling. (It took him upwards of years to learn to drive) He pales in comparison the Superman, a man with superhuman intelligence, in that department.

-Superman HAS survived supernovas, and ones MUCH larger than anything the sun could offer.
Debate Round No. 3
nerosmoke

Pro

using the Pre-Crisis Superman I like this gives me a challenge and I hope I have a good opponent

now I will state why goku would win

(and note the opponent did not show any links to superman ability's so I will take his word)

better combat ability

has training in alien fighting stiles and knowledge techniques that pass superman born powers as well and a disk that could cut superman in have if made contact

greater destructive power

has been shown to have the power to blow up moons planets and cell and gohan solar system busting attacks( buu and billis Galaxy's busting attacks)

zenkai make goku become stronger after every battle so the more goku fights superman the stronger he will become

speed massive faster than light speed goku has been show to movie faster than light in dragon ball and in dbz has instant transmission and be any were in a instant even faster than light (can telleport superman to a red sun) bills and wiss going across the galaxy in minuets

now

-Solar-Powered: Superman draws his power from the sun, a yellow star, which grants him his inhuman abilities. The closer Superman gets to the sun, the stronger he becomes. If, say, he were to go inside the sun, his power would grow exponentially, allowing him to effortlessly move planets with either hand.

goku can also draw power from the sun death battle did state this

were to go inside the sun, his power would grow exponentially, allowing him to effortlessly move planets with either hand.

yes he could but never has

Superman can move planets and moons"
Superman has never moved a planet or a moon without aid. He has failed to move moons with the same mass or even lower by himself.
- Failed to stop a moon even with several Kryptonians helping him.

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-Stuggling to pull the moon even with the aid of Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and a whole Team of magic users.

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After being powered by Strange Visitor and a sundip he struggled moving Warworld which is only the size of Pluto (smaller than Earths moon). Brainiac even states Kal normally wouldn't have the strength to move that.
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The most popular scan which looks like it is depicted as Superman moving 1/3 of the Earth. This however is completely out of context.
Superman, Wonder Woman, and Martian Manhunter failed to move the Earth it was actually Kyle who moved it with help.
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-Super Strength: Within the comic books, Superman is seen moving mountains, pulling planets, bending steel, etc. This makes him the strongest being in the DC universe. Of course, Superman's power does not stop there. When in direct contact with vast amounts of yellow sunlight (probably within the confines of outer space) his strength grows to incalculable levels, so much so that he could destroy galaxies and planets with relative ease. Keep in mind, please, that such a situation could only occur when Superman is fairly close to the sun; at least in Earth's ionosphere.

this is true but with vast amounts of yellow sunlight

When in direct contact with vast amounts of yellow sunlight

in the all star superman story the over charged cell of superman will couse him to die

the strongest being in the DC universe. this is not true

-Super Speed: In terms of speed, the only being faster than Superman is the Flash, who, for a time, was actually slower than Superman, according to Wally West. At his fastest, when not in any direct sunlight, Superman could run at speeds upward of two thousand miles per second. Now, I'm not entirely sure how fast Superman is in simple numbers, but I can give two prime examples that prove his superior speed: Superman is credited with traveling from Earth to one of Saturn's moons in under four minutes--five times faster than the speed of light. Also, in Superman: Red Son, he is claimed to move at speeds ten times faster than the speed of thought.

but I can give two prime examples that prove his superior speed: Superman is credited with traveling from Earth to one of Saturn's moons under four minutes--five times faster than the speed of light.

Well there is some truth in this, but it is completely overexaggerated. Superman can only go light speed when travelling at an accelerated rate.

Travel speed when flying = FTL

Fighting speed = Not light speed

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Superman even remarks he can't go light speed. Superman can only reach light speed through flying in space at a set velocity. This is near useless in a fight as travel speed is redundant, and combat speed is the speed to determine punches, kicks, ect.

Superman even tells us that he only goes light speed when accelerating. Another instance of travel speed
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This is a popular scan taken from Superman/Batman going FTL. However it is under no indication Superman is going light speed, and is able to have a full conversation with Darkseid the whole way.
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To prove Superman cannot fight at light speed like many people suggest here is a scan.
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In actuality the electromagnetic shock wave from the bomb was light speed and it hit Superman. This is sufficient enough to show he was not moving at superluminal speeds, and can't react to it either.

Furthermore many people said Superman flew to the Saturn moons at many times the speed of light. However this is completely false, as Superman was in deep space at the time when he heard the news of Lex Luthor being president.

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Superman cannot react and fight at the speed he travels, this is constantly shown throughout the comics.
Failing to catch minigun fire.

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Pounded by Green Lantern
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WonderWoman is even faster then him in combat speed
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Superman can only travel at super-speed reaching a velocity of which he accelerates to light speed. His combat speed, reactions, fighting are not even close.

goku is easy faster than this so is superman but you say superman is faster that light

-Combat Ability: Contrary to what Pro originally stated, Superman has been trained in extensively in martial arts, though Goku's training is superior, except not to such a serious extent. Superman was taught by Mongul in the fighting arts, Wildcat in boxing, Wonder Woman in general combat, and Batman, who is, without a doubt, the best hand-to-hand combatant in the DC universe.

yes he knows the kyptonian fighting stile of yoga and boxing from wildcat and batman also robin beat him in training
note robin has also beat gl and many others

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-Invulnerability: Among Superman's most useful abilities is his complete invulnerability. Superman's native people, the Kryptonians, have a molecular structure comparable to titanium, and emit an aura of impenetrable solar energy.

true but many doomsday atlis lobo batman karate kid have beat superman with his aura

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-Goku can only use Instant Transmission when he is very concentrated. There is no way he could concentrate fully on teleporting away from/around Superman, when the latter is most likely hurling a barrage of strikes. Also, Instant Transmission is speed-based technique; it sends the user into a pocket dimension from which they can travel anywhere(http://dragonball.wikia.com......)

yes but in a Instant

-I won't say Goku is dumb, though you must understand he never had a day of formal schooling. (It took him upwards of years to learn to drive) He pales in comparison the Superman, a man with superhuman intelligence, in that department.

i resolve this by asking the user to show a pic of superman driveing a car becouse when you can fly you have no need and the episade goku did drive a car and later saved a bus full of people

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HyugaNeji45

Con

Again, I congratulate my opponent for argument. I had a fairly hard time with my rebuttal.

-I did not have to show links to Superman's abilities; they are commonly known and accepted. Though, I suppose I will provide a link for all the readers who are deeply confused (http://superherouniverse.com...)

-Superman has also trained in alien martial arts, most notably Torquasm-Rao (Internal martial art) and Torquasm-Vo (External)

-If you're referring to the Destructodisc, I would like to reiterate that all Kryptonians emit an IMPENETRABLE aura of solar energy.

-Keep in mind that Goku can only charge to such incalculable power when he is given time to power up; this led to the death of Frieza, Cell, etc. Superman would never allow such behavior.

-Zenkai is a technique that helps to recover from near-fatal injuries (http://dragonball.wikia.com...)

-I honestly don't remember seeing Goku traveling faster than the speed of light. I'll look into that, but I think you've taken something completely out of context.

-I don't think they meant that Goku could draw from the sun in the same way as Superman. Goku has to stop and devote his effort to absorbing energy. For Superman, it is a passive ability.

-In reference to the Death Battle, Superman is shown to have more raw strength than Goku. Therefore, Goku would not be able to move planets, either. They can both destroy them easily, that's for sure--but moving one is an entirely different story.

-I said that when in direct contact with vast amount of yellow sunlight, he performs at his near-best. You've taken it out of context.

-In this link (http://img171.imageshack.us...) you've forgotten that, when in space, objects only grow faster, as there is nothing wind resistance to stop them.

-I can't seem to find the idea behind your links. Of course Superman travels faster than light! He managed to TURN BACK TIME because he was just that fast!

-You've provided absolutely no evidence that Goku can travel faster than Superman. You simply said, "goku is easy faster than this."

-Doomsday was able to bypass Superman's impenetrable aura by exposing him to Kryptonite.

-Here's Supes driving (http://static.comicvine.com...)

I would like to conclude by saying that, even if Goku had access to Kryptonite, he would doubtfully use it, as he loves to fight his opponents at their bests; this will end up being his ultimate downfall. In the end, I doubt Supes would return the courtesy.
Debate Round No. 4
nerosmoke

Pro

-Superman has also trained in alien martial arts, most notably Torquasm-Rao (Internal martial art) and Torquasm-Vo (External)

yes yoga and pressure points

-If you're referring to the Destructodisc, I would like to reiterate that all Kryptonians emit an IMPENETRABLE aura of solar energy.

nope it would kill him frieza survived many planet busting attacks the sprit bomb and the planet blowing up wile choped in have i dont think so

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-Keep in mind that Goku can only charge to such incalculable power when he is given time to power up; this led to the death of Frieza, Cell, etc. Superman would never allow such behavior.

nope goku did not kill any one

it was Destructodisc it kills any thing but buu or cell that can regenerate and that is why thay are so hard to kill

gohan killed cell with a solar buster attack

goku does not belive in killing unlike superman

also how much you know about dbz

incalculable power you mean battle of gods that guy that said he could bust a solar system with one finger?

-Zenkai is a technique that helps to recover from near-fatal injuries (http://dragonball.wikia.com......)

yes and every fight makes them stronger

-I honestly don't remember seeing Goku traveling faster than the speed of light. I'll look into that, but I think you've taken something completely out of context.

-I don't think they meant that Goku could draw from the sun in the same way as Superman. Goku has to stop and devote his effort to absorbing energy. For Superman, it is a passive ability.

true but goku can still absorb the energy in death battle he did this

a slow passive ability when goku does this in seconds

-In reference to the Death Battle, Superman is shown to have more raw strength than Goku. Therefore, Goku would not be able to move planets, either. They can both destroy them easily, that's for sure--but moving one is an entirely different story.

raw strength superman has none the has a aura remimber

lifting has nothing to do with a fight

able to move planets never done it with out the help of the jla

They can both destroy them easily,

superman has never blown up a planet and has nothing that said he could

he has blown up a moon that allmost killed him

moons are not planets

-I said that when in direct contact with vast amount of yellow sunlight, he performs at his near-best. You've taken it out of context.

-In this link (http://img171.imageshack.us......) you've forgotten that, when in space, objects only grow faster, as there is nothing wind resistance to stop them.

-I can't seem to find the idea behind your links. Of course Superman travels faster than light! He managed to TURN BACK TIME because he was just that fast!

in the movie did you check the links he cant catch gun fire

-You've provided absolutely no evidence that Goku can travel faster than Superman. You simply said, "goku is easy faster than this."

And finnaly the most important way of reasoning, by showing feats.

First I"ll show the speed of their beams

Akira was once asked, how long Gokus power pole can get, and he aswered, since it reached the moon, it can strech at least 380 000 km. This clearly shows that in Akira's mind dragon ball earth has the same or the simmilar relative position to it's moon as our planet does to our moon.

It took only few moments for a simple beam from Piccolo to reach the moon.

The Moon is 1.3 light seconds away, and it would take additional 1.3 seconds for a light from the explosion to return back to the earth, which means this beam from Piccolo was at very least close to the speed of light.

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goku was able to blast superman into the sun death battle did this how fast is the kamehameha

light is 8 min form the sun to earth how long did goku kamehameha or did goku stand there for hours?

and this

Superman has never been shown to achieve faster than light speeds post Crisis. Trying to convince people of this in a debate is futile. Nevertheless the facts are the facts. A commonly used feat

does it state that superman is traveling faster than light. No indication of how long it took him to fly to the moon. In actuality the picture is stating that superman is not Superluminal. "Space bends around him at this speed time slows down." This is describing the process of approaching light speed. Dont take my word for it. Take NASA's

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Lex 2000 scan in context

e_Of_Hellion (6 posts) See mini bio Level 6

- Also this

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Superman survived a supernova explosion.
- Superman survived the destruction of a Star while inside it, and was knocked unconscious. Super Novas are not just exploding stars, it's more to it than that. If our sun were to explode it wouldn't go nova.

Superman can move planets/moons by himself. Superman Can destroy planets with his fists.
- Superman has never moved a planet or a moon without aid. By himself he has failed to move moons equal, greater, and lower in mass than earths moon. Even with aid of a dozen Kryptonians. He couldn't destroy the shadow moon( which was the exact mass and weight of the moon), without going close to light Speed and flying into it, which knocked him unconscious.

- Superman failed to stop a moon even with a dozen Kryptonian's helping him.

- He struggles even with the aid of Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and a whole team of magic users.

- After being powered by Strange Visitor and a sundip he still struggled moving warworld which only the size of pluto (smaller than earths moon). Brainiac also states Kal normally wouldn't have the strength to move war world.

-Superman, Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman never moved Earth. They werent even trying to. they were tryin to correcting its out of control rotation and they failed doing just that. Kyle ended up having to do it by himself.

Superman is faster than light.
Perhaps the most prevalent Superman myth. But in reality Superman has never been shown to achieve faster than light speeds post Crisis. Trying to convince people of this in a debate is futile. Nevertheless the facts are the facts. A commonly used feat

-Doomsday was able to bypass Superman's impenetrable aura by exposing him to Kryptonite.

- Nowhere in the picture does it state that superman is traveling faster than light. No indication of how long it took him to fly to the moon. In actuality the picture is stating that superman is not Superluminal. "Space bends around him at this speed time slows down." This is describing the process of approaching light speed. Dont take my word for it. Take NASA's

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I have read the compilation graphic novel with the entire Doomsday battle. At the end of the battle Superman and Doomsday kill each other in a classic "same-time" final blow. It was my understanding that Superman could only be seriously injured or killed by Kryptonite. There was never any indication, to my knowledge, that Doomsday had Kryptonite so how did he kill superman?

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Is the answer that DC's sales were at a critically low level and needed a boost not what you are looking for? I am guessing not. " Chad Jan 13 '12 at 18:27
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To summarize the (very good) accepted answer: he hit him lots and lots of times. " Paul D. Waite Mar 7 '13 at 14:47
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Doomsday used: Face Punch! It's Super Effective!!! " Monty129 Mar 7 '13 at 15:23
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As this video by the foremost Superman scholar of our time reveals, it was all a matter of punching youtube.com/watch?v=0PlwDbSYicM " jono Mar 8 '13 at 0:03
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Spoilers, if you haven't read the storylines in the Superman family of comics that follow the Death of Superman story:
Superman wasn't actually killed during this battle, but nearly was. Thanks to the Eradicator placing his body in a chamber that bombards his body with solar radiation, he was able to eventually recover.
Doomsday was able to accomplish this by being as tough as Superman. In addition, he has the speed and strength of Superman, and was able to maintain an unending assault on him. This eventually wore down Superman, until he was simply physically beaten to death.

I would like to conclude by saying that, even if Goku had access to Kryptonite, he would doubtfully use it, as he loves to fight his opponents at their bests; this will end up being his ultimate downfall. In the end, I doubt Supes would return the courtesy.

if Goku had access to Kryptonite he likey would not use it what he do is to punch superman until he is simply physically beaten to death.
HyugaNeji45

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-Frieza didn't have an IMPENETRABLE aura of solar energy, did he?
-Saying "yoga and pressure points" is completely overgeneralizing.
-I did not mean to imply that Goku directly killed Frieza and Cell.
-"it was Destructodisc it kills any thing but buu or cell that can regenerate and that is why thay are so hard to kill" (Superman has a regenerative property)
-I've talked to some friends of mine, who are hardcore DBZ fans, and not one of them has mentioned that Zenkai makes you stronger after each fight.
-Superman's solar absorption is the polar opposite of slow.
-In the Death Battle, Goku called forth energy from the sun to form an energy ball. When you put that scene into perspective, it probably would've taken a lot longer, but ScrewAttack wouldn't want to bore their audience.
-Lifting itself doesn't have a direct correlation with the fight, that is correct. However, the lifting demonstrated Superman's borderline limitless raw power, and thus allowed to audience to conclude that Superman was physically stronger than Goku.
-You say that Supes has never moved a planet as if Goku does it on an episodic basis.
-Sure, blowing Superman into the sun was impressive, but it contributed to his victory, did it not?
-We are not discussing post-Crisis Superman. The events you described were mostly post-Crisis.
-Beat Superman to death? That's Goku's plan? That's highly unfortunate, as it most definitely would not work.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by nerosmoke 2 years ago
nerosmoke
i like what this guy said
Posted by Silver_regius 2 years ago
Silver_regius
This debate is simple, Goku explains how Super Sayajin works during the Buu saga: SS1-3 use the power of the sun, even though Superman get's strength from yellow sun power, Goku can convert that enegery into a white Ka-mae-ha-mae-ha wave. Such would be a waste of energy on Superman since Goku can reach SS4 and SS God mode. In SS 4 Goku begins to use the power of red sunlight rather then yellow sunlight and in SS God mode Goku becomes a hot red beacon of red sunlight. The simple fact is that Superman's greatest weakness is also Goku's greatest power. Once Goku reached SS 4 Superman would begin to loose his powers.
Posted by Silver_regius 2 years ago
Silver_regius
This debate is simple, Goku explains how Super Sayajin works during the Buu saga: SS1-3 use the poer of the sun, even though superman get strentgh fro yellow sun poer, goku can convert that enegeryinto a white Ka-mae-ha-mae-ha wave, but such would be a waste of energy on Superman since, Goku can reach SS4 and SS God mode. In SS 4 Goku begins to use the power of red sunlight rather then yellow sunlight and in SS God mode Goku becomes a hot red beacon of red sunlight. The simple fact is that Superman's greatest weakness is also Goku's greatest power. Once Goku reached SS 4 Superman would begin to loose his powers.
Posted by HyugaNeji45 2 years ago
HyugaNeji45
Ditto to you. Let's definitely do this again.
Posted by nerosmoke 2 years ago
nerosmoke
I get heated sometimes

and I thank you for not cussing or being a jerk I just want a good opponent and would like to do this agian
Posted by HyugaNeji45 2 years ago
HyugaNeji45
Listen: I am going to say with one hundred percent honesty that it was hard for me to combat your arguments because I couldn't understand them! Your grammar requires a bit of work, Pro. I don't mean to offend, but if something was lost in translation, please forgive me.
Posted by nerosmoke 2 years ago
nerosmoke
death battle lied thats why i post to people
Posted by nerosmoke 2 years ago
nerosmoke
-Frieza didn't have an IMPENETRABLE aura of solar energy, did he?
-Saying "yoga and pressure points" is completely overgeneralizing.
-I did not mean to imply that Goku directly killed Frieza and Cell.
-"it was Destructodisc it kills any thing but buu or cell that can regenerate and that is why thay are so hard to kill" (Superman has a regenerative property)
-I've talked to some friends of mine, who are hardcore DBZ fans, and not one of them has mentioned that Zenkai makes you stronger after each fight.
-Superman's solar absorption is the polar opposite of slow.
-In the Death Battle, Goku called forth energy from the sun to form an energy ball. When you put that scene into perspective, it probably would've taken a lot longer, but ScrewAttack wouldn't want to bore their audience.
-Lifting itself doesn't have a direct correlation with the fight, that is correct. However, the lifting demonstrated Superman's borderline limitless raw power, and thus allowed to audience to conclude that Superman was physically stronger than Goku.
-You say that Supes has never moved a planet as if Goku does it on an episodic basis.
-Sure, blowing Superman into the sun was impressive, but it contributed to his victory, did it not?
-We are not discussing post-Crisis Superman. The events you described were mostly post-Crisis.
-Beat Superman to death? That's Goku's plan? That's highly unfortunate, as it most definitely would not work.

IMPENETRABLE aura of solar energy,

this is a lie any comic would show you this

Beat Superman to death? That's Goku's plan

somany have what is you problem

, it probably would've taken a lot longer, but ScrewAttack wouldn't want to bore their audience.

this is a lie

and where did you even try
Posted by nerosmoke 2 years ago
nerosmoke
lol

-Here's Supes driving (http://static.comicvine.com......)

i posted the troll thread
Posted by HyugaNeji45 2 years ago
HyugaNeji45
My apologies! I completely forgot I had this debate! I should probably check my email more...
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