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goku vs superman goku stops mad carzy 2 someone for real

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Started: 4/10/2014 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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nerosmoke

Pro

superman lost to batman aquaman and muhammad ali goku would beat him
#LanternCanWhupSuperman
To Summarize my argument Goku is a born fighter, and has the power, speed and strength to take down Superman.
Gokus techniques such as Ki blasts and Maniuplation, Instant Transmission, Combat sense, the Dragon Fist, and Telekensis trump Superman's abilites.
Goku's destructive power is insane, and rivaled by cosmic beings and God's. Goku can blow up planets with ease, and could blow up a large portion of the Galaxy at full power SSJ3. Superman has never come close to that power.
When Goku can use Ki to bolster there already insane hitting power, Goku literally shakes the planet by the shockwaves his punches produces.
Goku's combat speed and Instant Transmission are way beyond Superman's level, showing how in base he can go FTL the Super Sayain forms would be even faster. In a fight, combat speed Goku is unmatched.
Goku martial arts and fighting techniques completely surpass Superman.
Frieza can survive Namek exploding with his body chopped in half, SSJ Goku can do it easily.
Combined these factors and it concludes to Goku beating Superman. Anything at SSj2 level or above is enough to put down Superman.
Goku is a galaxy buster - but while it's never shown him destroying Galaxies, it's been stated by many characters that he and his (later) enemies could destroy whole Galaxies. What we do know for a fact however, is that Goku could destroy planets easily in ANY form; Combat skill. While some writers have attempted to give Superman some training in martial arts, his fighting style is still primarily that of a brawler. It would be a huge stretch to call Superman an "expert" at martial arts (although some would argue that). In any event, Goku has a tremendous advantage in terms of technique over Superman

* Combat speed. Pretty much all combat in DBZ (and the whole second half of the original as well) is portrayed at occuring at hyper speeds. The exact upper limit on just how fast is not really explored, but considering that most characters display the ability to dematerialize to move faster than would otherwise be physically possible, it's not unreasonable to believe it could reach light speeds. as in will show The entire fight occurs at those speeds. Superman, on the other hand, has shown mostly straight ahead attacks when speed blitzing. While it's understandable that some will think Superman has the speed advantage, in my estimation at short range Goku has a sizable advantage-- even against the mighty Silver Age Superman.
* Energy projection. Goku has matched energy against beings who have shown the power to destroy worlds (some of them effortlessly) and gone millions of times beyond that inner power level. Whether that translates into millions of times that output or not is unclear, but assuming a small scale increase in output, Goku would still be capable of destroying pretty much any size world. This level of destructive force should be too great for Post-Crisis or even Modern Age Superman. Combat skill. While some writers have attempted to give Superman some training in martial arts, his fighting style is still primarily that of a brawler. It would be a huge stretch to call Superman an "expert" at martial arts (although some would argue that). In any event, Goku has a tremendous advantage in terms of technique over Superman Superman's heat ray vision does not compare favorably.
* Energy sense. Goku is able to repress his power signature and evade detection. Superman has shown no such power. Goku would be warned of any sneak attack. * Dematerializing and Instant Transmission. Goku has repeatedly used this in combat to gain advantage or take away an opponent's advantage. It even works to negate Goku's greater than light speed long distance travel advantage.
Ki Sense is the ability to detect a person's Ki from great distances. Goku can detect people across the planet with ease. Now it is unsure whether Goku would detect Superman's KI, but Ki is living aura, everyone has it. The average human has a Power Level of 5, and Goku could sense other alies from across the Galaxy. So sensing Superman's Ki wouldn't be any different.
Also Superman can detect Goku with enhanced sense, so there would be no hiding on ether side. (Not that they would want to)
Was able to pinpoint Bulma's KI out of billions of people on Earth
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Additional Details, Saiyans CAN survive in space, reference Vegeta and Nappa destroying the planet Arlia from outer space. Goku could use the Spirit Bombalso the sprit bomb cam kill any thing
instant Tranmission
Goku's most versatile techniques. It's teleportation that can be used for multiple effects. It's so fast Goku can travel across the Galaxy and hit Namek in an instant.
Now lets see The ship tog et to Namek
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It took the Spaceship a couple of seconds to reach Jupiter and it takes light 32-54 minutes to reach Juptier from Earth.
Therefore the Spaceship >>>>>>>>>> faster then Light Speed Travel
And Since it took the ship over 10 days to get to Namek, and Goku traveled to Namek in an instant, from King kai's planet.
Using the Instant Tranmission to travel across the galaxy, and between dimensons to Namek. His Instant Transmission speed is thousands of times faster then light, and can be used to cross dimensions between living and dead. This would be a huge factor and requires little to no Ki. Goku has trained to use it without putting a finger to his head.
superman can move a planet goku can make a sprit bomb the size of a planet how would superman move that goku can draw power from the sun the same as superman also superman had help to move the planet and could only move it a bit with the JL with no help superman could not move it superman is weaker as his powers are from the sun a near infinare power sourse that goku could destroy even with the sun superman is no mach for goku superman is unable to destrory the earth with out the power of the sun while goku could with his own power superman has no combat ability and was beat by an non power karate kid even with the power of the sun And considering that the Earth"s atmosphere reflects and absorbs 2/3rds of all solar radiation Superman should only be capable of on the of have of what he would be able to do in space superman greates feat of moveing 1/3 of the earth with the jla even in space still the only way supeman could even stand a close to goku The IMP is an ability granted by the Speed Force and utilizing its power. As the flash called it, he's accessing speed heaven. The speed force is what allows the flash to run at light speed and protects him from the affects of moving that fast.
Superman's strength comes from the sun, which is big an pretty much infinite, but there is only so much of that energy he can store in himself, even after a sundip. He has an upper limit.
The Flash's relativistic punches come from E = MC". C is constant. And considering that the Flash can go faster than light, E is essentially infinite, making his mass and thus the power of his punch also infinite.
In other words.
Superman can punch really hard, and he can fly really fast, but his power is instant. He can't move fast enough to stop time, but the flash can. The flashs punch strength with the IMP is infinite.
Superman could certainly do a speed strike, which is using the speed of travel to increase the mass of the punch, but he can't do the infinite mass punch because his power Is limited. The flash has access to the infinite speed force.
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the question is who is faster goku or superman how fast is goku lets look
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now how fast is that There is "true" invisibility, that happens when an object that moves faster than the speed of light. However this may not be possible if you know Einsteins theory of relativity ( E= mc2, where c=speed of light). As you move at or near the speed of light light, you mass becomes infinitely large, which means you would need an infinite source of increasing energy in order to keep moving.
However Einsteins theory means nothing in comic context. He told me there is also the ability to be "invisible" to the eye and not be moving at the speed of light. This is an optical illusion-- the object is invisible if it moves faster than the eye/brain can process the images.
Perception - the registration of physically present stimuli.
We only see things that move every 1/24 of a second (we don't really see motion jut the illusion of movement, if it moves.... this is only the persistence of the previous images). If the object moves faster than 1/24th of a second, than it will be invisible to the human eye. I then I asked him, If someone was running down your street how fast they would have to be in order to be invisible to your eye's. He responded saying in order for something to be truly invisible to the human eye it would have to be moving at the speed of light. The thing that gives us the ability to see things, is the reflection of light upon objects. If someone or something was moving faster than light the would truly be invisible due to the fact that no light could reflect upon them. So yes, If something was running in front of you and they were invisible to your eye they would have to be running above the speed of light, other wise they wee never truly invisible in the first place it would only be an optical illusion.
But to actualy BE invisible you would have to move faster than light
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goku win
9spaceking

Con

Goku is a fair man, never cheating and always wanting to see his opponents at their full powers. (Which is kind of annoying, watching Goku watch his opponent yell for half of the episode)
Nevertheless if Superman and Goku has a death fight, and they went far from the sun, Superman would obviously interject and say "well I have no power without the sun". Goku would respect Superman and choose to fight him on a planet near sun, possibly the moon.
Super man is invincible. No matter what Goku does, no matter how much levels of super saiyen Goku reaches, Super man cannot be harmed on the least basis. He seems vincible only to Kryptonite and Psycological warping powers (his eyes bled, he was dying on the inside and the outside). However, I don't think Goku has and Psycological warping powers that can make superman's eyes bleed and make superman unable to move, talk, and think! (The psycological warping powers I mention are the fifth dimensional magical abilities of Mr. Mxyzptlk. Goku does not have these powers.)
And even with these vulnerabilities, Superman can resist them. He has thrown a planet of Kryptonite away in order to save earth, and even after getting an eye-bleed from Mr. Mxyzptlk, he somehow survived and got his revenge. Although is is not explained, it is apparent Superman can ignore his vulnerabilities when he needs to.
Finally, Superman is much much smarter than Goku. Goku may be an intelligent man, but Superman possesses super genius-level intelligence and an eidetic memory. Even if Goku decided to fly away to a place with no sun or lots and lots of Kryptonite or somehow found some magic to use against Superman, Superman could outwit Goku with a clever plan to trap him.
Onto you con.
(BTW your grammar is horrible. No offense.)
Debate Round No. 1
nerosmoke

Pro

the idea that goku is a fair man and would only fight superman at his best is one thing (and i like this) because we are talking about character of these too great chraraters and thats cool

so then i say goku is a fighter who has fought the strongest in the universe and in fact superman is not a fighter and would not stand close to goku as he is not trained or shows anything that can compete in skill superman is not a fighter and has been beat by the non powered karate kid so goku fighting ability would out class superman outright

now who thay are goku is a fighter who fight to be the best goku has no limits and is always overcoming a stronger opponent, freiza ,cell buu, bills even with god mode goku fights a god so he must become one unlike superman who has limits that are clear superman can move 1/3 of the earth with the justice league shows superman in fact does have limits
goku trains to overcome superman does not becouse someone stronger came bills and so he must also be stronger to make the power of a god his in dragon ball goku never stops someone stronger always comes along and so must goku
bills is a god goku became a god superman can become stronger from the so must goku into sun god mode 2,3,4 ect

Superman and Goku has a death fight, and they went far from the sun, Superman would obviously interject and say "well I have no power without the sun". Goku would respect Superman and choose to fight him on a planet near sun, possibly the moon. yes but goku would still stomp even in google all start superman to mach sun will couse superman cells to be over charaged and will kill him so even with the sun superman sould still get stomped

all star superman (good read like realy good)

Dr. Leo Quintum and his team from P.R.O.J.E.C.T. are exploring the Sun when they are sabotaged by a Lex Luthor clone. Superman saves the day, but acquires the ability to project his bio-electric aura. Lex Luthor has orchestrated this to overwhelm Superman's cells with massive amounts of solar radiation. Quintum determines that Superman's new power is also killing him, and he has one year left to live. Lex Luthor is arrested, thanks to a Daily Planet article by Clark Kent. Superman decides to keep his impending death secret from the public.

so the sun can kill superman and the gold superman prime please dont bring up he cant live with out the sun
death battle did say goku could blow up the sun even death battle said that

Super man is invincible. No matter what Goku does, no matter how much levels of super saiyen Goku reaches, Super man cannot be harmed on the least basis. He seems vincible only to Kryptonite and Psycological warping

this is wrong superman can be beat by some one stronger doomsday ect so goku own power would put superman down

Finally, Superman is much much smarter than Goku. Goku may be an intelligent man, but Superman possesses super genius-level intelligence and an eidetic memory. Even if Goku decided to fly away to a place with no sun or lots and lots of Kryptonite or somehow found some magic to use against Superman, Superman could outwit Goku with a clever plan to trap him.

why would goku run he wants a fiare fight goku has a magic poll dont need it ssj2 stomps mad crazy in just power stronger than doomsday
9spaceking

Con

You said it yourself "he has one year left to live". The battle would obviously take less than 365 days. -.-
Within these 365 days, Superman can still gather enough energy from the sun to overpower even Goku's Super Saiyen level 4 state.
As for Doomsday, Superman only got beaten because he was in the dark while battling his enemy, and they were practically equal in terms of strength, endurance, and agility. Because Superman was forced to store his energy, Doomsday simply wore him down. The storylines in the Superman family of comics that follow the Death of Superman story tells us that "Superman wasn't actually killed during this battle, but nearly was. Thanks to the Eradicator placing his body in a chamber that bombards his body with solar radiation, he was able to eventually recover." As seen here: http://scifi.stackexchange.com...
It can be from this that even Superman's toughest opponent, another Kryptonian designed to be a killing machine, could not fully obliterate Superman's existence.
When you said "superman is not a fighter" you are terribly wrong. He has defeated many many of his villains, and the villains he has not defeated, he fights constantly. The full list is here: https://en.wikipedia.org...
Another good piece of evidence is a simulation of a death battle between these two:

It can be seen that, after analyzing the two very carefully, and actually battling, Superman wins. If you truly believe Goku can win, disprove this video.
BTW, please use quotes next time. Oh, and your grammar is still terrible. No offense.
Good luck pro!
Debate Round No. 2
nerosmoke

Pro

ok now i thought you had something nope all you got is death battle so death battle it is

It can be seen that, after analyzing the two very carefully, and actually battling, Superman wins. If you truly believe Goku can win, disprove this video.
death battle error
http://www.screwattack.com...
why goku would win
http://www.screwattack.com...

battle would obviously take less than 365 days. -ok to start the only way superman could win would be to die and goku could blow the sun and take superman to a red sun to drain him Superman only got beaten because he was in the dark while battling his enemy, agian Doomsday simply wore him down goku fought frieza on a planet that was exploding for 8 hours frieza is stronger read last post so goku out last superman

well how about the peole who can beat superman"list

beat by batman http://i.stack.imgur.com...
wouped by aqua man
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wouped by muhammad ali http://media.npr.org...
killed by doomsday
jimmy olson (can turn in to doomsday)
killed by wonderwoman
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supermans own legs http://media.animevice.com...
the harlem globetrotters
porno directors http://comicsalliance.com...
richard pryor
nocked out in one punch captain marvel http://i.stack.imgur.com...
beating by the demon http://static.comicvine.com...
kryptonite (weakens)
red kryptonite (makes superman an ant)
krypto tne superdog http://sequart.org...
karate kid http://i3.photobucket.com...
black kryptonite (turns evil)
gold kryptonite (lose powers forever)
pink kryptonite (turns gay) http://lh3.ggpht.com...;
anyone with mind control or magic
The Green Lanterns any lantern http://i.stack.imgur.com...
harry potter (magic)
scooby doo and the gang
this guy http://i227.photobucket.com...
darkside
wounderwomen https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com...
white women http://img594.imageshack.us...
white guy http://static.comicvine.com...
the flash http://static.comicvine.com...
beat by the manhunter http://dreager1.files.wordpress.com...
gandolf
sauron
ali agian http://static.comicvine.com...
sword guy http://static.comicvine.com...
the teen titans http://static.comicvine.com...
the avengers
rush limbaughs flapy body ( the same effect"as"kryptonite)
spiderman (he beat batman screw attack)
Skeletor (new 52)
he-man (new 52)
godzilla (he beat the avengers spiderman is in avengers spiderman beat batman batman beat justice league superman is in justice league)
godzilla is a boss http://i1270.photobucket.com... http://superherouniverse.com...
Beaten By Atlas http://imageshack.us...
Beaten by Dominus http://imageshack.us...
Beaten by Hawkman drawing energy from the Earths magnetic core (Not Magic)
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superman vs brid
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this guy
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Pretty sure this was General Zod (may be wrong)
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Pounded by Lobo http://imageshack.us...
Defeated by Orion http://imageshack.us...
General Eiling http://imageshack.us...
Amazo http://imageshack.us...
Despero http://imageshack.us...
Doomsday http://imageshack.us...
Fernus http://imageshack.us...
Gog http://imageshack.us...
Robot Superman http://static.comicvine.com...
Robot guy and a monkey http://static.comicvine.com...
iron man http://i29.tinypic.com...
venom http://static.comicvine.com...
if i messed any please tell me
9spaceking

Con

List of people who can defeat superman--so? This list doesn't include Goku. Besides, Superman's cape has gotten in his way so many times he learned it's his weakness. However, I doubt Goku is smart enough to logically deduce that his cape is invincible, and even if he did, Superman would know about it and avoid getting captured by his own cape.
Did I mention Superman can destroy a human's organ? Within his battle between this magician, he destroyed the source of the magic within the magician's brain just by using his heat vision! Although he barely uses this power, he could use it against Goku, overheating his already heated heart.
Besides, how could Goku blow up the sun?
I repeat, Goku is a fair man. He lets his opponents power up and doesn't take advantage of their weaknesses. As shown in the death battle video, he even helped Superman by destroying the Kryptonite. (Although the weakness was way overboard exaggerated)
BTW your spelling STILL is horrible. No offense. I could barely read the last round!
Debate Round No. 3
nerosmoke

Pro

you have nothing to debate all you have is death battle that was proved wrong many times go back an check the links

Superman's cape has gotten in his way so many times he learned it's his weakness. However, I doubt Goku is smart enough to logically deduce that his cape is invincible, and even if he did, Superman would know about it and avoid getting captured by his own cape.

this is wrong straight wrong dude superman has a bio-electric aura that gives him his flying his powers the cape has nothing

http://www.supermanhomepage.com...

Did I mention Superman can destroy a human's organ? Within his battle between this magician, he destroyed the source of the magic within the magician's brain just by using his heat vision! Although he barely uses this power, he could use it against Goku, overheating his already heated heart.

ssj4 superman heat vision is form the sun goku said ssj4 was immune to the suns rays when fighting nova shinron

I repeat, Goku is a fair man. He lets his opponents power up and doesn't take advantage of their weaknesses. As shown in the death battle video, he even helped Superman by destroying the Kryptonite. (Although the weakness was way overboard exaggerated)

Goku is a fair man. yes but superman is not in the video you (all you have) superman power from the sun was needed to destroy earth goku does not need this power is own power can do on his own superman was shown goku would not need to use his weakness becouse goku is far stronger than doomsday zod and the list superman killed 8 billion people

i am not trying to goku would win i am trying to show goku stomps mad crazy bro your turn
9spaceking

Con

"goku stomps mad crazy"? WTF does that even mean?
That goes against your title "goku stops mad carzy".
Goku Stomps mad crazy definition:
STOMPS: a dance to this music, usually marked by heavy stamping of the feet.
http://dictionary.reference.com...
MAD: mentally disturbed; deranged; insane; demented.
http://dictionary.reference.com...
CRAZY: mentally deranged; demented; insane.
http://dictionary.reference.com...
Goku cannot dance, he's not insane, or mentally deranged. He doesn't fit the definition put by your poorly contructed phrase.
As for your title "goku stops mad carzy" definition:
STOPS: to cease from, leave off, or discontinue
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MAD: see above
CARZY: NOT A REAL WORD
Of course Goku is ceasing from being metally disturbed! But your argument in the last round only disproves that.
And even if Goku is versing Superman he would not "stomps mad crazy" (or, heavily stamping while being mentally disturbed times two, based on my definitions)
Your last round argument was especially weak. It seems apparent you have lost.
Vote con!
BTW How many times do I have to say this, better spelling and grammar please. I can barely tell what in the universe you're trying to say.
Debate Round No. 4
nerosmoke

Pro

goku stomps mad crazy

goku a guy from dragon ball z

curb stomp
Web definitions
An act of curb stomping; To stomp on someone's head, forcing it into a street curb - often while they are positioned with their teeth biting the curb

the normal person to be curb stomped cant do any thing about it and that superman cant do anything about it

mad

mad
mad/Submit
adjective
1.
mentally ill; insane.
"he felt as if he were going mad"
synonyms:insane, mentally ill, certifiable,

cer"ti"fi"a"ble
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adjective
1.
able or needing to be certified.
"encephalitis was a certifiable condition"

carzy

extremely enthusiastic.
"I'm crazy about stomping superman" said goku
synonyms:passionate about, (very) keen on, enamored of, infatuated with, smitten with, devoted to; More

like he wants to really bad

and like I said I have show goku to stomp superman in a fight so bad that it in fact it is insane how bad superman is stomped
and would be extremely enthusiastic. wile stomping superman head in to a planet that he would blow up with how hard the stomping is

so have I show goku to stomp superman and the universe yes

con last words
9spaceking

Con

Ok. Let's say I belive you, okay? Let's assume Goku WILL stomp Superman if Superman plays fair using his current powers. But what if Superman DOES NOT play fair? he has undiscovered potential super powers, shown here: http://io9.com.... if Superman used any of these unfair tactics, there is NO way Goku can win. your horrid spelling last round gives me no chance of a rebuttal, as I cannot even read your argument. Please have better spelling next time. I extend all previous arguments upon this new one, and ask the voters to vote fairly.
In other words, vote con.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by 9spaceking 3 years ago
9spaceking
nobody voting? Aw man.
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Reasons for voting decision: Not really a great debate. Using fan-made videos to do the arguing, both Pro and Con were very lazy on this one. Pro's spelling and grammar were indeed lacking, so I'll grant Con his win based solely on that.