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nerosmoke
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yomama12
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goku vs superman goku stops mad carzy

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/10/2014 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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nerosmoke

Pro

superman lost to batman aquaman and muhammad ali goku would beat him
#LanternCanWhupSuperman

To Summarize my argument Goku is a born fighter, and has the power, speed and strength to take down Superman.
Gokus techniques such as Ki blasts and Maniuplation, Instant Transmission, Combat sense, the Dragon Fist, and Telekensis trump Superman's abilites.
Goku's destructive power is insane, and rivaled by cosmic beings and God's. Goku can blow up planets with ease, and could blow up a large portion of the Galaxy at full power SSJ3. Superman has never come close to that power.
When Goku can use Ki to bolster there already insane hitting power, Goku literally shakes the planet by the shockwaves his punches produces.
Goku's combat speed and Instant Transmission are way beyond Superman's level, showing how in base he can go FTL the Super Sayain forms would be even faster. In a fight, combat speed Goku is unmatched.
Goku martial arts and fighting techniques completely surpass Superman.
Frieza can survive Namek exploding with his body chopped in half, SSJ Goku can do it easily.
Combined these factors and it concludes to Goku beating Superman. Anything at SSj2 level or above is enough to put down Superman.

Goku is a galaxy buster - but while it's never shown him destroying Galaxies, it's been stated by many characters that he and his (later) enemies could destroy whole Galaxies. What we do know for a fact however, is that Goku could destroy planets easily in ANY form; Combat skill. While some writers have attempted to give Superman some training in martial arts, his fighting style is still primarily that of a brawler. It would be a huge stretch to call Superman an "expert" at martial arts (although some would argue that). In any event, Goku has a tremendous advantage in terms of technique over Superman

* Combat speed. Pretty much all combat in DBZ (and the whole second half of the original as well) is portrayed at occuring at hyper speeds. The exact upper limit on just how fast is not really explored, but considering that most characters display the ability to dematerialize to move faster than would otherwise be physically possible, it's not unreasonable to believe it could reach light speeds. as in will show The entire fight occurs at those speeds. Superman, on the other hand, has shown mostly straight ahead attacks when speed blitzing. While it's understandable that some will think Superman has the speed advantage, in my estimation at short range Goku has a sizable advantage-- even against the mighty Silver Age Superman.

* Energy projection. Goku has matched energy against beings who have shown the power to destroy worlds (some of them effortlessly) and gone millions of times beyond that inner power level. Whether that translates into millions of times that output or not is unclear, but assuming a small scale increase in output, Goku would still be capable of destroying pretty much any size world. This level of destructive force should be too great for Post-Crisis or even Modern Age Superman. Combat skill. While some writers have attempted to give Superman some training in martial arts, his fighting style is still primarily that of a brawler. It would be a huge stretch to call Superman an "expert" at martial arts (although some would argue that). In any event, Goku has a tremendous advantage in terms of technique over Superman Superman's heat ray vision does not compare favorably.

* Energy sense. Goku is able to repress his power signature and evade detection. Superman has shown no such power. Goku would be warned of any sneak attack. * Dematerializing and Instant Transmission. Goku has repeatedly used this in combat to gain advantage or take away an opponent's advantage. It even works to negate Goku's greater than light speed long distance travel advantage.
Ki Sense is the ability to detect a person's Ki from great distances. Goku can detect people across the planet with ease. Now it is unsure whether Goku would detect Superman's KI, but Ki is living aura, everyone has it. The average human has a Power Level of 5, and Goku could sense other alies from across the Galaxy. So sensing Superman's Ki wouldn't be any different.
Also Superman can detect Goku with enhanced sense, so there would be no hiding on ether side. (Not that they would want to)
Was able to pinpoint Bulma's KI out of billions of people on Earth
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Additional Details, Saiyans CAN survive in space, reference Vegeta and Nappa destroying the planet Arlia from outer space. Goku could use the Spirit Bombalso the sprit bomb cam kill any thing

instant Tranmission
Goku's most versatile techniques. It's teleportation that can be used for multiple effects. It's so fast Goku can travel across the Galaxy and hit Namek in an instant.
Now lets see The ship tog et to Namek
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It took the Spaceship a couple of seconds to reach Jupiter and it takes light 32-54 minutes to reach Juptier from Earth.
Therefore the Spaceship >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faster then Light Speed Travel
And Since it took the ship over 10 days to get to Namek, and Goku traveled to Namek in an instant, from King kai's planet.
Using the Instant Tranmission to travel across the galaxy, and between dimensons to Namek. His Instant Transmission speed is thousands of times faster then light, and can be used to cross dimensions between living and dead. This would be a huge factor and requires little to no Ki. Goku has trained to use it without putting a finger to his head.

superman can move a planet goku can make a sprit bomb the size of a planet how would superman move that goku can draw power from the sun the same as superman also superman had help to move the planet and could only move it a bit with the JL with no help superman could not move it superman is weaker as his powers are from the sun a near infinare power sourse that goku could destroy even with the sun superman is no mach for goku superman is unable to destrory the earth with out the power of the sun while goku could with his own power superman has no combat ability and was beat by an non power karate kid even with the power of the sun And considering that the Earth"s atmosphere reflects and absorbs 2/3rds of all solar radiation Superman should only be capable of on the of have of what he would be able to do in space superman greates feat of moveing 1/3 of the earth with the jla even in space still the only way supeman could even stand a close to goku The IMP is an ability granted by the Speed Force and utilizing its power. As the flash called it, he's accessing speed heaven. The speed force is what allows the flash to run at light speed and protects him from the affects of moving that fast.

Superman's strength comes from the sun, which is big an pretty much infinite, but there is only so much of that energy he can store in himself, even after a sundip. He has an upper limit.

The Flash's relativistic punches come from E = MC". C is constant. And considering that the Flash can go faster than light, E is essentially infinite, making his mass and thus the power of his punch also infinite.

In other words.

Superman can punch really hard, and he can fly really fast, but his power is instant. He can't move fast enough to stop time, but the flash can. The flashs punch strength with the IMP is infinite.

Superman could certainly do a speed strike, which is using the speed of travel to increase the mass of the punch, but he can't do the infinite mass punch because his power Is limited. The flash has access to the infinite speed force.

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the question is who is faster goku or superman how fast is goku lets look

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now how fast is that There is "true" invisibility, that happens when an object that moves faster than the speed of light. However this may not be possible if you know Einsteins theory of relativity ( E= mc2, where c=speed of light). As you move at or near the speed of light light, you mass becomes infinitely large, which means you would need an infinite source of increasing energy in order to keep moving.

However Einsteins theory means nothing in comic context. He told me there is also the ability to be "invisible" to the eye and not be moving at the speed of light. This is an optical illusion-- the object is invisible if it moves faster than the eye/brain can process the images.

Perception - the registration of physically present stimuli.

We only see things that move every 1/24 of a second (we don't really see motion jut the illusion of movement, if it moves.... this is only the persistence of the previous images). If the object moves faster than 1/24th of a second, than it will be invisible to the human eye. I then I asked him, If someone was running down your street how fast they would have to be in order to be invisible to your eye's. He responded saying in order for something to be truly invisible to the human eye it would have to be moving at the speed of light. The thing that gives us the ability to see things, is the reflection of light upon objects. If someone or something was moving faster than light the would truly be invisible due to the fact that no light could reflect upon them. So yes, If something was running in front of you and they were invisible to your eye they would have to be running above the speed of light, other wise they wee never truly invisible in the first place it would only be an optical illusion.

But to actualy BE invisible you would have to move faster than light
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goku is stronger faster and cooler
yomama12

Con

Well, if you ever read DC comics, you would know that Superman can destroy entire solar systems with a SNEEZE! Plus, he has the infinite mass punch, where he flies just under the speed of light to create a ounch that feels like millions of supernovas exploding in someone's face.

This video shows the true winner if Goku and Superman ever fight in a battle, and, as you can see, Superman wins.

Superman is both stronger, faster, And way more intelligent, Goku, sucks.

Vote con!
Debate Round No. 1
nerosmoke

Pro

death battle erred
http://www.screwattack.com...
why goku would win
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i have read comics superman is weak and can not lift a buliding and agian bias anime vs comics i like batman and marvel comics ok thing is there is not one reason any one has even shown why superman could beat goku goku would own superman and this shows it And way more intelligent proof superman can drive a car please put a pic of superman driveing lol agian you have nothing

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you have no argument death battle has been proven wrong and as your olny resource you have nothing

he has the infinite mass punch, where he flies just under the speed of light to create a ounch that feels like millions of supernovas exploding in someone's face. lol go back and read and the supernova to the face is superman and the elite not the in infinite mass punch if you ever read DC comics, you would know that lol solar systems with a SNEEZE! Plus, lol agian goku could stick a finger in his nose and he would blow up lol This video shows the true winner if Goku and Superman ever fight in a battle, and, as you can see, Superman wins. lol agian death battle erred http://www.screwattack.com...

Superman is both stronger, faster, And way more intelligent, Goku, sucks. no proof goku is awsome other that fan boy bias

lol Also, Goku is stronger than superman because he spends his whole LIFE training, while superman does none. Plus, if superman trapped goku and tried to steal his energy he would meet the same fate as cooler, in cool returns. And he has super saiyan GOD on his side, so he is a god, meanwhile superman is.... well... just... a super... man. So, super saiyan god is about twice as strong as super saiyan 3, so about 800x, not as strong as ssj4, but faster than ssj4. So, goku would just mop the floor with superman, and just use a Kamehameha to wipe him out. Also, compared to saiyan saga goku to end of gt, here are the power lvls. (Approximately) saiyan saga: 8001; end of gt: 5,000,000 ssj: 250,000,000 ssj2: 500,000,000 ssj3: 2,500,000,000 ssj4: 20,500,000,000. So the power lvl's are pretty dope. So, saiyan saga goku was able to keep up with ultimate superman, so guess what would have happened if end of gt goku was there. It would be madness, goku would screw up superman. So the battle would be like this. Goku: Let's fight! Superman: Ok... Goku: *Transforms Into ssj4* Superman: what the.... Goku: instant transmission x10 Kamehameha Superman: *Dies*. Goku is just too much for superman, and plus if superman beat goku and thought he was dead, he could just get a zenkai boost and transform, and do a kaioken Kamehameha while superman is distracted. That is my theory.A279;

Vote con! why what has he showed ? to say superman would win ? no one has ever shown superman would win

useing death battle own math goku in stronger than superman

well how about the peole who can beat superman"list

beat by batman http://i.stack.imgur.com...
wouped by aqua man
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wouped by muhammad ali http://media.npr.org...
killed by doomsday
jimmy olson (can turn in to doomsday)
killed by wonderwoman
http://static.comicvine.com...
supermans own legs http://media.animevice.com...
the harlem globetrotters
porno directors http://comicsalliance.com...
richard pryor
nocked out in one punch captain marvel http://i.stack.imgur.com...
beating by the demon http://static.comicvine.com...
kryptonite (weakens)
red kryptonite (makes superman an ant)
krypto tne superdog http://sequart.org...
karate kid http://i3.photobucket.com...
black kryptonite (turns evil)
gold kryptonite (lose powers forever)
pink kryptonite (turns gay) http://lh3.ggpht.com...;
anyone with mind control or magic
The Green Lanterns any lantern http://i.stack.imgur.com...
harry potter (magic)
scooby doo and the gang
this guy http://i227.photobucket.com...
darkside
wounderwomen https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com...
white women http://img594.imageshack.us...
white guy http://static.comicvine.com...
the flash http://static.comicvine.com...
beat by the manhunter http://dreager1.files.wordpress.com...
gandolf
sauron
ali agian http://static.comicvine.com...
sword guy http://static.comicvine.com...
the teen titans http://static.comicvine.com...
the avengers
rush limbaughs flapy body ( the same effect"as"kryptonite)
spiderman (he beat batman screw attack)
Skeletor (new 52)
he-man (new 52)
godzilla (he beat the avengers spiderman is in avengers spiderman beat batman batman beat justice league superman is in justice league)
godzilla is a boss http://i1270.photobucket.com... http://superherouniverse.com...
Beaten By Atlas http://imageshack.us...
Beaten by Dominus http://imageshack.us...
Beaten by Hawkman drawing energy from the Earths magnetic core (Not Magic)
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superman vs brid
http://3.bp.blogspot.com...
this guy
http://static.comicvine.com...
Pretty sure this was General Zod (may be wrong)
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Pounded by Lobo http://imageshack.us...
Defeated by Orion http://imageshack.us...
General Eiling http://imageshack.us...
Amazo http://imageshack.us...
Despero http://imageshack.us...
Doomsday http://imageshack.us...
Fernus http://imageshack.us...
Gog http://imageshack.us...
Robot Superman http://static.comicvine.com...
Robot guy and a monkey http://static.comicvine.com...
ironman http://i29.tinypic.com...
venom http://static.comicvine.com...
Batman & Superman #7 "Batman Kills Superman"

if i messed any please tell me

and there are lots more

if you want to see how strong superman think who is stronger doomsday or freiza

the power is freiza

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so realy looking at doomsday to kill superman goku stomps mad crazy bro
yomama12

Con

thats me when you did all that, (not really me, just what i was like, :P)
Debate Round No. 2
nerosmoke

Pro

this is the problem no one reads comic books

even billis called goku a genius

so your olny thing you can say is goku is dumb

whell then superman is a gay

who shoots rainbows and pink kyptonite makes gay

and the only way any one this superman would is
yomama12

Con

Ki is a limited source, so, if Goku uses it too much, he will eventually run out of Ki. Solar rays, however, are unlimited (until the sun blows up in 5 billion years), so Superman will be able to live forever, basically, Superman is invulnerable.
Debate Round No. 3
nerosmoke

Pro

goku can also use solar also and live for ever

and by the way goku could blow the sun

Superman is invulnerable. not ever

cell said he could destroy the solar system

superman is weak to non planet destroying attacks
yomama12

Con

even if he was smart enough to blow up the sun, like the death battle said, the supernova would blast past Mars, killing him too. So either Superman wins, or they both die. End of discussion.
Debate Round No. 4
nerosmoke

Pro

nerosmoke forfeited this round.
yomama12

Con

there was a forfeit, so 7 points goes to me.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by nerosmoke 2 years ago
nerosmoke
i forgot about this
Posted by nerosmoke 3 years ago
nerosmoke
even if he was smart enough to blow up the sun, like the death battle said, the supernova would blast past Mars, killing him too. So either Superman wins, or they both die. End of discussion.

goku can teleport any were

superman can olny win by dieing
Posted by 9spaceking 3 years ago
9spaceking
lol nerosmoke has TERRIBLE spelling and grammar. No offense.
Posted by yomama12 3 years ago
yomama12
note: watch whole video to understand my concept.
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Vote Placed by Blade-of-Truth 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct - Con. Pro forfeited R5. This is rarely acceptable conduct in any debate setting. S&G - Tie. Neither practiced proper spelling or grammatical structure. This is evident with sentences that begin with uncapitalized words and lack of punctuation's when needed. Arguments - Con. I can't deny the fact that Con dropped several arguments raised by Pro. Unfortunately, Pro let Con steer the debate instead of regaining control after Round 3. If not for the lack of rebuttal to the claim made by Con in Round 4, I might have awarded this point differently. Sources - Pro. Because let's be real, he used a Sh!t-ton of sources, all of which strengthened his case. While the same can be said about Con in terms of quality of sources, I will let quantity impress me on this one. I learned a great deal from this debate. Best of luck to both of you in the future! Perhaps a rematch someday minus the forfeit at the last minute? I'd most certainly enjoy reading it!! Cheers.