gun rights should NOT be taken away.
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| Started: | 1/5/2008 | Category: | Society |
| Updated: | 5 years ago | Status: | Voting Period |
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If we take away gun rights innocent people would be un armed against intruders.
Imagine how many people have been saved by just owning a gun. you cannot expect taking away gun rights will keep criminals from getting them. After all they do still get a hold of drugs don't they?
Look, I am a republican, supporter of the second-amendment, etc. Please do not USE the second-amendment to say why we have the right to bear arms. I will debate the validity of having the RIGHT to own a gun. In my position as con, I will argue that people have the PRIVILEGE to own a gun :) Ok? Good, so to begin we must decide what a right and what a privilege is: Right: something guranteed that you do not have to deserve Privilege: something granted that you have to deserve I agree, the ability to own a gun is good. But it is also bad. 1.) You must get a license to own a gun, therefore, a gun is a privilege not right 2.) Those who want to commit crimes should not have the right to own a gun. If the right to bear arms was in fact a privilege to bear arms, then less people would be able to grab a gun and shoot someone. |
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ok i somewhat agree that it should be a privelege.
but you cant not give someone a gun because you think they will commit crimes. If you do not have a liscence you should not be able to own any more than a simple small calliber hand gun. not every thing should need a liscence. If you do actually commit a crime you should have temporary or permanent gun restriction, depending on the crime. when i started this debate i expected someone who would say that no regular citizens should own guns. arguing against you makes things more complicated.
Here is what you said "but you cant not give someone a gun because you think they will commit crimes." -You can withhold the right to own a gun to a limit amount of people to try to limit a crime such as, withhold some guns (beyond automatic) to people only those with a hunting license (or military) can get a gun only those over the age of __ no more handguns to those without a military license some guidelines that makes the right to bear arms a privilege this would reduce crime yet allow people to protect themselves "If you do not have a license you should not be able to own any more than a simple small caliber hand gun. not every thing should need a license." First let me address the license. I mis-understood. The license belongs to those selling firearms. Not those buying. So you can ignore that point. Since that is the case, I believe, as said above, I believe a hunting or military license should be needed. "If you do actually commit a crime you should have temporary or permanent gun restriction, depending on the crime." This is what currently happens, but that does not stop crime. Why? Because the right to bear arms is a right. It should be a privilege. To stop crime |
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a comment made said that criminals can get guns and hurt people if gun rights are kept. but if they are dangerous criminals it should be hard for them to get guns and if gun rights are kept the victims may be able to better defend themselves.
Drugs are illegal but people still get those. people will still be able to smuggle guns around too. Imagine this: dave is a law abiding citizen so he does not own a gun. joseph gets an illegal gun and breaks into daves house dave grabs a knife but is shot before he can defend himself. If guns are not legal and a criminal wants to hurt or kill someone they can still use bombs kinves poisons or everyday objects to use as clubs. these objects are not also potentiall dangerous but easy to make untraceable.
I agree with your example, which is why I did not say guns should be illegal. I said they should be a privilege, not a right. I gave many reasons why above. You did not attack these reasons. I gave many reasons why bearing arms as a right is bad. You did not attack these specific reasons. I have proved why gun rights should be taken away and they should be instituted as a privilege. |
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Reasons for voting decision: pro gave good reasoning
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Reasons for voting decision: His arguments where self defeating, poor, short, and well not logical.
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Reasons for voting decision: The sheer thought of taking away our rights is un American. Cody30228 stated to take away one of our rights and that is just not cool man.
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I just don't see how you can pick and choose which amendments you like, and which ones we could do without. How about the amendment about search and seizure, or the one dealing with private property?
In short, you start screwing with the Constitution in the name of "safety," and it won't end until they do away with YOUR favorite amendment.
But why would it be fought so much? It's not hard to get a hunting license, and people could respect the fact it's for one's own good.
Plus it's a compromise between dems and GOPs.
Why would free speech by a privilege. I have reasons why 2nd amendment should be. There is logic behind one and not the other. One kills people, the other doesn't.
Again, perhaps we could make the exercise of free speech a privilege, subject to control by the government.
So can the First Amendment. Would you like that?
The Second Amendment was primarily created, not to allow people to have self-defense against criminals (although they have that right) but to protect an unarmed populace against a tyrannical government. I can't say with absolute certainty, but it's always been a position of MANY people that the placement of the amendment allowing citizens to own firearms (or weapons in general) is indicative as to how important the Founders thought this right was.
As to taking guns away from EVERYONE, that's a well-meaning but poorly-thought-out position. It hasn't stopped criminals in the UK from perpetrating an INCREASE in gun-related crime, because guns can be made (they've been making guns out of things like car antennas -- zip guns -- for decades) or smuggled in to those willing to pay the cash to accomplish that, and the reason that criminals are criminals is that they don't CARE about obeying laws. All this Pollyannaish hope that taking all the guns away would result in is to create a nation of sheep (law-abiding citizens) subject to being harvested by a subset of wolves (criminals). Might as well walk around with a target on my back and a sign that says "Please rob me."
Please do not USE the second-amendment to say why we have the right to bear arms'
I said this for the sake of debate because the second-amendment can be, well, amended
You say that "If we take away gun rights innocent people would be unarmed against intruders."
If we keep gun rights, guilty people would be able to hurt the innocent people. It would really even out and it does.
If we DON'T keep gun rights, then NEITHER side (presumably) has a gun, meaning no one is injured or dies and instead the intruder is penalized justly through a court of law.
To cody.
Guns are very easy to get even if you don't have a license or have evil intentions. Gun shows will sell guns to almost anyone. Even obtaining a license is not difficult, not much more so than obtaining a driver's license. These simple regulations are not stopping gang fights ending with gun deaths. They are not stopping kids from pulling guns out of their parent's drawer and accidentally injuring or killing someone.
Capt.Herp.
I agree with your statement that about the Bill of Rights. I still don't support the second amendment, but what you are saying in response to Cody is true.
I can go downtown tomorrow, if I have the cash, and buy guns all day with no "license." You better do a bit of research.
The Second Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights. There is no Bill of Privileges.