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backwardseden
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CastleBravoOne
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he bible should NOT BE READ to children! The bible should NOT BE READ by children! It is dangerous.

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backwardseden

Pro

- Atheist debates get em while they"re young
- God hates children

Children watching violence on tv, bad. Children in church seeing a lifelike grotesque statue of a crucified man, good. Makes sense? - David Blickstein

There are at least 30+ verses in the bible where god shows his hatred and evil towards children in which most of them will be presented throughout this debate. The question is "why"? I'll tell you why... Its because god is a sadistic pig, a self righteous crybaby who loves to watch pain and suffering on the lowest of low, which happens to be children, because he places himself above all else, thus being a superior extremely selfish egotist that he knowingly is. Oh btw, this is only in text form because there's actually no proof, thank god, that this god even exists. And only an amazingly stupid and or incredibly naive idiot would use text form, the worst form of communication possible.

Before you witness the verses, did you watch the videos which graphically depict only SOME of the verses as tragic and as horrific as they are which include babies and children being raped, there's pregnant mothers wombs being ripped open (abortions), babies and children dying by the swords, babies being dashed against the rocks etc? If not then you have no excuse for saying "there's no evidence" because it is so very typical of christians to completely ignore evidence ESPECIALLY when slapped in the face with it. Oh and btw, don't tell me or anyone of merit who is especially sane that these verses are taken out of context, and that there is ANY KIND OF LOVE within them, because then you would be required to prove it for each and every verse in which case you would not be able to justify your actions. If after you reading these verses and you do not think this is pain and suffering to its fullest extent, something is seriously wrong with you. No offense.

2 Samuel 12:11-14 11 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun. 12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun. 13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. From evilbible.com [The child dies seven days later.] This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, really sick!

Deuteronomy 2:34 "And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:"

Numbers 31:17-18 "17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Leviticus 26:21-22 "And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins. 22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate." Rob you of your children?

1 Samuel 15:3 "3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling , ox and sheep, camel and a$$."

Hosea 13:16 "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." Wow. Such a nice gentle caring god who is all warm and fuzzy inside. This book should clearly be read to children - correct?

2 Kings 15:16 "Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up."

Now do you think you should be put to death for cursing at your parents? Why ____? Why not ____? Or better yet should you follow these ridiculous laws at all? According to your fricken idiot bible you MUST!!!! Well what if your parents abuse, rape and torture you? Should they die?

* Exodus 21:17 "And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death."
* Leviticus 20:9 "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him."
* Mark 7:10 "For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:"
* Matthew 15:4 "For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death."
* Matthew 10:21 "And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death."
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A child, age 6 for example who has stage 4 cancer, does not know what is happening to him/ her. Their cries are not heard, that they are in constant pain unless they are given sedatives/ pain killers, that they are terrified, that they are in an unfamiliar place (a hospital of some kind as an example), and are not home unless it is special circumstance, that they really do not understand what suffering is, but those around them probably do, etc etc etc.
Oh and btw, YOUR god put children in that position of suffering to begin with which is 100% pure evil and hate. YOUR god absolutely loves to knowingly suffer, otherwise he would not create their situations for them to suffer.
And btw, I know that you know that you cannot contemplate suffering at all. Your precious jesus went through 12 hours, tops, of suffering. Some children go through decades of suffering. Your precious jesus had it easy. Now please do tell me what a child can possibly learn from suffering? Much less an adult? If you"ve answered nothing, you"ve answered correctly. -
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god knowingly creates children to be raped, beaten and tortured at the hands of their abusers... sometimes for decades. An example is daddy is sticking in his you know what inside of his daughter age 5 while punching her in the face twice per week for 15 years. To knowingly create children to suffer is 100% pure evil and hate at its finest. You can not get more evil than that with all the hate if you wanted to. Please DO NOT bring in the "Free Will" argument either because children DO NOT have the Free Will to escape from these monsters who commit these horrific acts. And god creates these children to suffer as well as these monsters to commit their unspeakable crimes to begin with. god must also love it, otherwise he would create these horrific events. Please DO NOT invent the excuse that "its not god's fault". Well yeah it is. Otherwise, god is NOT in control of everything, nor is he all knowing nor is he all powerful. Nor is god omnipotent. Nor does god care enough to not create these horrific acts. And the worst of the absolute worst is god is giving a greater value, a greater meaning to these monsters to commit these horrific acts while these children suffer at the hands of these savages who have no free will to SCREAM and get away from daddy. God IS hate and evil. Pure and simple. So invent better excuses please. Sure, call me that I "hate" when it was just proven that YOUR god hates and nothing but. AND GOD MUST HAVE GIVEN THAT HATE TO ME AND ALL OF MANKIND. And yes, absolutely 100% that includes YOU by gum!!!!!!!! Wow. What a loving god huh? Pathetic, but typical smug christian ideal that doesn't work - ever - excuse on your part.
In other words, god truly hates children which is a truly "duh "situation. The bible proves this time and time again. Also notice how children do not get to say a single sentence in the bible? Not one. Its like having your mouth glued shut for your entire childhood. That's the worst form of child abuse there is - to be neglected and ignored. And the bible does it so well. Sure god and jesus have stated that they love children or whatever, but that's not the same thing. Not by a longshot. How would you like it if someone spoke for you for your entire childhood and you could not say a single word on your behalf? Well, you'd naturally hate it. Also the bible is surely incomplete because there are no voices of children, there are no children talking or singing, or voices of them playing, when it is most assuredly required. How would you like it if you as an adult, who worked so hard for your children, as well you should, and they should always be the center of your life, were to find out that they were left out of your life? Well, once again you'd naturally hate it. And that's exactly what the bible and god has done in leaving children completely out of "their" most supposed sacred book of history that is supposed to engulf everything that was known within their supposed surroundings up until that special moment in time, and yet it completely ignores and neglects children. Well good job for the men who wrote the bible. Not---toooo---bright.
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CONCLUSION:
Simply put, the god of the printed bible is a diseased sick infected lice ridden maggot.

You job in this debate is to prove that god loves children. Again, saying that he does, is not enough and is not the same thing.

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CastleBravoOne

Con

I enjoy the edgy argument you gave; there is no God, God is a masochist, etc., however, you need to recognize that the several people who wrote the Bible weren"t perfect; they were human. A term used by the Catholic church is "Divine Inspiration", that God inspired these people to write these books. However, these books were also written over 2000 years ago. Recognizing the cultural implications of that time, it"s obvious that there will be extremely misogynistic, racist, bigoted ideas because that was the way those societies were at the time. However, the Bible changes over time; The book of Genesis doesn"t define the entire church"s view on Theocracy or of our origins. Now, admittedly, there are extremists who are on the far edge of Protestant, like the Westboro Baptist Church, that spews utter hate. However, by generalizing the idea that everyone follows this model is just bigoted of yourself. Even if the Bible were something that is truly so vile, so evil, so disgusting that it"s defined as immoral by millions, children still deserve the right to see it. A quote by Sir Francis Bacon, "ipsa scientia potestas est," roughly translates to "knowledge itself is power." Having the knowledge of what was put out there, even if it is all just a bunch of horseshit made to keep people in line, is a fundamental right of all human beings. Besides, the Free Will argument is a legitimate argument, because that is how God (supposedly) made man. God gave us the choice to sin, and some people take it. But beyond that, let"s remember a different quote; George Santayana, a man who gets virtually no credit, said this quote which perfectly describes not only the bible but the world; "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." By attempting to erase something that is such a huge part of history, you are condemning others not only to be ignorant and censored, but you are also allowing for the world to make the same mistakes it did long ago.

Think of it this way; The North Korean Regime is one of the most brutal dictatorships in the world. They rewrite the past constantly, informing their people of obvious lies, including the fact that their regime made the burger, can control the weather, and that all their leaders are the most brilliant men in history. Now, I"m not saying that the Bible is the true source of morality and righteousness, but let"s assume that these people finally got a chance to read one, and they realized that their way of living is pure, unadulterated oppression. Let"s assume they learned something, (recognizing there are plenty of history lessons in the Bible), and realized that their mighty leaders didn"t do any of the stuff they said they did. Do you think they would revolt against their oppressors, or just ask for more lies?

All in all, to censor the bible would be to censor the past. Recognizing our constitutional rights, this would not only betray the ideals of our nation (allowing all citizens INCLUDING children to practice religion freely), but would betray the ideals of humanity itself.

CONCLUSION:

The Bible legally can"t be censored, (The First Amendment reads that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;...) it would be morally wrong to censor something (recognizing that we need to learn about the history, the good and the bad), as well as it logically doesn"t make sense to censor something as widespread as The Bible.

Note: I"m an atheist, so don"t assume I"m a pig "blinded by the ideals of the church."
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

I gave a no arguments barred way of looking at it regardless if its "edgy" or not. Its quite simple really, god hates children. Well see you have no idea who wrote the bible and um no, its supposed to be perfect, written by god himself in which he would never use text as a source of communication to begin with, the worst source of communication possible.
"If god is all knowing and he knows the future of all events and he wrote a book that can only be interpreted as if it endorses slavery and if its heinous violence against your children against your neighbors" how could a god be that omnipotent and devise a book where we can"t distinguish between the law of Israel and god"s law? I mean their interwoven where we have metaphor and fact and nobody can distinguish the two. We don"t know what we"re supposed to take figuratively. We don"t know what we"re supposed to take literally. Was it actually a tree? I mean come on. How can anyone distinguish this. I mean come on. It doesn"t make any sense. It doesn"t matter how its translated. It doesn"t matter what version. If it was written by an omnipotent being there would be ONE VERSION. And there would be only ONE WAY to interpret it because it would be written well." Aron Ra
Actually it wouldn"t be written at all. What"s wrong with your god comin" down and talking to people? "Hey you know some of that stuff that"s in the book? I"m here to correct it." Matt Dillahunty

"We have to rely on copies of copies of anonymous authors with no originals and the textural testimony to a miracle for example, there"s no amount of reports, anecdotal reports that is sufficient to justify in believing that actually happened as reported. And anything that would qualify as a god would clearly understand this and if it wanted to clearly convey this to people in a way that is believable would not be relying on ---TEXT--- to do so. And this to me is the nail in the coffin for christianity. The god that christians believe in is amazingly ---STUPID---!!! If it actually wants to achieve its goal by spreading its word to humanity by relying on text, by relying on languages that die off, by relying on anecdotal testimony, that"s not a pathway to truth. And anything that would qualify for a god would know this.which shows either god does not exist or doesn"t care enough about the people to understand the nature of evidence to actually present it. Now which of those two possibilities is accurate?" Matt Dillahunty

"If jesus and Muhammad and abraham and moses had never been born, which in any case I tend to dabble, if all their stories were untrue were suddenly found and everyone had to admit it some people I know would show panic. Now what would we do? We"d have no morals suddenly. What could be more nonsensical than that? As the matter of fact the position that we occupy would---be---precisely---the---same as it is now if none of these texts had ever been written, as if none of these lacerations had ever been made. We would still have to reason together about how how to treat one another, about how to build a just city, and about how to have irony and a sense of humor." Christopher Hitchens

Yes you got that one right so there"s copies upon copies upon copies upon copies upon translations upon translations upon translations upon translations with dead languages with dead languages with a 0% chance of tracing it back to the original so NOBODY knows if they are interpreting correctly from 2,000 years ago.

"However, the Bible changes over time;" Actually no the bible does NOT change over time because there"s nobody that can interpret correctly from any original. And god is bigoted himself. "Even if the Bible were something that is truly so vile, so evil, so disgusting that it"s defined as immoral by millions, children still deserve the right to see it." Should children have the right to see necrophilia, rape, cannibalism, womens innards being ripped apart, children being torn apart by bears, babies being dashed upon rocks, the extermination of all life except for just a few little things etc etc etc? Oh yeah its all there in YOUR bible. So NO children do NOT have the right to see it. etc etc? "The e A quote by Sir Francis Bacon, "ipsa scientia potestas est," roughly translates to "knowledge itself is power."" Since when does god give children "knowledge or power" of any in his bible? It is so crystal clear that you have not read your bible AT ALL. So PLEASE STOP BEING THE FRICKEN TYPICAL CHRISTIAN AND INVENTING EXCUSES. K?

The free will argument is not a good argument at all. Because if you believe in your god, then you have no free will of any kind. None.
You show me or anyone where in the bible, anywhere that YOUR christian god says something to the effect of "I the LORD thy god grants man free will." The fact of the matter is, is that it doesn't exist. Not anywhere. So in fact your god does NOT grant you Free Will of any kind. Period. But in truth, I hope you find it because then that would mean that YOUR bible hypocritically contradicts itself YET AGAIN for the thousandth time or so with all of its inconsistencies, because there so many verses that prove that god does not, by any means, grant Free Will.
- All Knowing god versus Free Will: The Greatest Religious Contradiction
- Free Will With god
- god Favors Evil
- god allows Free Will?
Another example in fact god shuts you down with Free Will all over his bible. A perfect example of that are the 10 commandments... Threatening people with death as all of the 10 commandments do except for one is taking Free Will away.
Thankfully pretty much no one follows the justice followed by the ridiculous mayhem madness god.
There"s so much more on free will to absolutely squash you that its not even funny.

Then you get into stupid pathetic sin"Sin is contradictory in your bible. Thus sin does not exist.
Does every man sin? Yes. There is no man who does not sin (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810) No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God.. (I John 5:1). We should be called children of God; and so we are (I John 3: 1). He who loves is born of God (I John 4:7). No one born of God commits sin; for Gods nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (I John 1:8)

Matt Dillahunty "What is sin and why should I care about it? I understand why I should live an ethical life and treating people in certain ways, we have secular foundations for moral systems. But sin from the christian perspective is a crime against god or god"s nature itself - right? If god makes the rules and you violate it, that"s a sin. Well what if god makes a rule that you should kill your child, does that make it good? Caller " Yeah that"s where I do things that are not aligned in what the bible says." Matt "Yeah. But are they good things? Do you have good reasons to have that the things you are doing are not immoral? Like do you have an example? Like don"t confess to a crime or anything. For example the bible is opposed to homosexuality. Do you think there"s something immoral about those who are homosexuals?" Caller "Uh there"s none that I can think of." Matt "Yeah me neither. And so if the bible"s opposed to it add the bible is the word of god, and the Koran is opposed to it as well and the Koran is supposed to be the word of god as well, and there are two holy books and let them argue over who god is and what god thinks and until they can come up with a sound secular justification for homosexualiy being immoral then I don"t need to pay their views any money because its just an opinion at that point."
There's a lot more on sin.

"Think of it this way; The North Korean Regime is one of the most brutal dictatorships in the world. They rewrite the past constantly," Wow and hold on here and you don"t think for a single second that your god, the most brutal dictator in history, by far an no one comes close, after all he creates everybody knowing what everybody will be doing before they do it, that is if god is god, thus once again proving that there is no free will, and proving that everybody is a robot, but then again nobody, not one person can even prove that god even exists, lies to his prophets in his bible, commits countless genocides and you and all who are religious and worship this god somehow think its PERFECTLY OK? Wow. What a washed up brain you must have in being a contradictory hypocrite just like your god.

"All in all, to censor the bible would be to censor the past." Um no the simple and correct and proper solution is to get rid of it.
"The simple solution is to chuck the bible out because we don"t need it for anything, even if there are things in it which there undoubtedly are, even if there are things that are good which there undoubtedly are" they"re not good because they"re in the bible, they"re not good because they come from a god, they are good because they are good, and they are something that we can discover without ever having to appeal to an old book and without having to tap dance around and sacrifice our humanity to make excuses about how we treat rape victims, and how we own people as property, and how there"s some "GRAND CONTEXT" in which all of this isn"t very bad. You have sacrificed your humanity for genuflecting to your religion. And its abominable." Matt Dillahunty

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I've been A LOT nicer than normal and bit into YOUR conversation when I normally don't. If you wish this to continue, keep the subject matter about children and the bible.
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Posted by backwardseden 5 months ago
backwardseden
@Miadegal - Laugh all you want because I will ---always--- no exceptions, none, know a lot more about your god, religion, bible than a spoiled brat painful rectal itch who sleeps though his own nuclear war like you. Just because you cannot handle rock solid evidence when handed to your potty brain and slapped in the face with it, that's not my problem, that's yours. Oh and btw, I only read beyond the word "laughing". Nothing else in your sad, frail lonely tears post is necessary. I'm so very glad I made your day better. Please do not post me again unless you have something intelligent to say.
Posted by Miadegal 5 months ago
Miadegal
@backwardseden

I'm honestly laughing right now. Your response clearly shows that you don't know what else to say. Next time you want to say something, respond like an adult, not like a 4 year old who implies, "I'm right, you're wrong... just because."

P.S. I know you read the whole thing, I'm not an ignoramus.
Posted by backwardseden 5 months ago
backwardseden
@WOLF.J - I don't rant on about the bible and you know it. The bible is 100% pure evil and is based upon hate and evil. And the supposed god in it is also based upon hate and evil. I do have morals. The bible and its god has no morals of any kind and is completely bankrupt and immoral and I stand up to that. Do you want a list of verses?
"The simple solution is to chuck the bible out because we don"t need it for anything, even if there are things in it which there undoubtedly are, even if there are things that are good which there undoubtedly are" they"re not good because they"re in the bible, they"re not good because they come from a god, they are good because they are good, and they are something that we can discover without ever having to appeal to an old book and without having to tap dance around and sacrifice our humanity to make excuses about how we treat rape victims, and how we own people as property, and how there"s some "GRAND CONTEXT" in which all of this isn"t very bad. You have sacrificed your humanity for genuflecting to your religion. And its abominable." Matt Dillahunty
Posted by backwardseden 5 months ago
backwardseden
@Miadegal - "Just because you have no concrete evidence for something..." I stopped reading beyond that point. Typical christian neanderthal teeny bopper response who obviously cannot read, nor watch the videos posted, with 0% insight nor evidence of any kind.
Posted by WOLF.J 5 months ago
WOLF.J
Yo 'eden bro, may I ask you always rant on about the bible if your atheistic? Surely you're giving yourself a headache trying to convince ppl.
Posted by Miadegal 5 months ago
Miadegal
@backwardseden

Just because you have no concrete evidence for something, does not mean it is not there. For example, common sense. You cannot see it, there is no proof it is there, yet it is there? Not only does practically everyone around the world believe in common sense, but they have absolute confidence it exists even though there is no proof. Explain that would you since your "big head" knows "everything". Just because I might be 18 doesn"t mean you can categories my intelligence. You get 5 year olds that know more than the average adult, so assuming my intelligence is quite imprudent. I completed all 12 grades (and two extra university level grades for fun) of the highest and hardest national curriculum in the world at 15. I"ve finished university and have a very successful life, most likely more successful than yours. Yes, I might not be a 56 year old living fossil, which presumably gives you more life experience than I have, but you strikingly do not have much wisdom for someone of your age, sorry bud. *shrugs*. Anyways, I am not going to waste my time any further, I have important things to do. You know what they say "got places to go, people to meet"", all of that.
Posted by vi_spex 5 months ago
vi_spex
its like telling kids about black santa.. that will come for them if they dont behave
Posted by CastleBravoOne 5 months ago
CastleBravoOne
jrardin12 lmao that"s why they should read the bible
Posted by jrardin12 5 months ago
jrardin12
Hosea 13:16 "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." Not God, the Assyrians. You should read history.

2 Kings 15:16 "Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up." This kings doing was "evil in the sight of the Lord.

1 Samuel 15:3 "3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling , ox and sheep, camel and donkeys." The Amalekites had done it to the Israelites before.

Matthew 10:21 "And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." This is talking about brothers who will turn in Christian brothers to the authorities. Father will turn in Christian children and children will kill their Christian fathers.
Posted by jrardin12 5 months ago
jrardin12
I would like to know if you support abortion.
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