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human laws were elevated by Moses to the law of God, and adds to discrediting OTestament Law

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/7/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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linate

Pro

human laws were elevated by Moses to the law of God, and adds to discrediting OTestament Law

here is an example.

Matthew 19:8 "Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning."

this teaching by moses was considered part of the law required by jews to follow, mosaic law.

if what Moses taught was not the law of God, according to Jesus, doesn't that mean moses elevated human law to the point of God's law? and what are we to think about OTestament laws when we have such nonsense?
Jwmart21587

Con

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Matthew 5:17-19
Pro illustrates a substantial lack of knowledge regarding the contextual nature of the Bible. For starters, God did not give the law to Adam and Eve. Was hacking or software piracy illegal before computers existed? No. Laws were put into place as a response to people's misuse of computers and the internet. Likewise, God's law was given to Moses as a response to the awful things going on. That's why Jesus says "it wasn't this way in the beginning."
Christians are not bound to the Old Testament. Why is in the Bible? It gives context to the existence of Jesus. The Old Testament is about Jesus. If Jesus isn't in the Old Testament, how is it about him? The Old Testament contains many references to a Messiah. Now, you may not believe Jesus was the Messiah but the basis of Judaism is waiting for a Messiah. If you miss that, you have no understanding of the significance of Jesus. The Law of Moses was necessary in bringing God's sovereign plan to fruition.

"And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself" Luke 24:27

The main point though is that Christians are not bound to the law because according to the Bible, Jesus fulfilled the law. Jesus never broke the law and death was His consequence. Thus fulfilling the law, dying in the place of those who broke the law. As a result, death is no longer the consequence of breaking the law. Since the basis of Christianity is Jesus and His fulfillment of the Old Testament/law, there has to be a law for him to fulfill.

Pro ignored substantial amounts of Biblical and historical context making his argument.
Debate Round No. 1
linate

Pro

con is ignorant of meaning of the laws of the old testament. and makes a bunch of points that are irrelvant to the debate. yes laws were often presented in response to sins of people. but that doesn't have anything to do with moses giving people an opt otut with legal divorce. con also says old testament laws do not apply to us. sure, but that doesn't mean JEsus and his predecessers didn't follow them, and that we as christians aren't called to view them as the laws of God before the new covenant.

and that's the point. the mosaic law that included the stuff in this first post of this thread, was raised to the law of God and was to be accepted by all as such. even Jesus took it as such.
Jwmart21587

Con

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Debate Round No. 2
linate

Pro

reiterate
Jwmart21587

Con

Jwmart21587 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by SocialistAtheistNutjob 2 years ago
SocialistAtheistNutjob
I've never seen people debate their interpretation of a fairy tale before. I hope someone accepts.
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Reasons for voting decision: Should be fairly obvious, here. Con abandoned this debate after posting his first round--conduct for the forfeits, arguments for the unrebutted case from Pro. As always, happy to clarify this RFD.