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i determine where cause and effect ends and begins

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Started: 10/29/2014 Category: Science
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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vi_spex

Pro

no matter where in the chains you say the effect ends its true, as the previus causes and effects are implied, when I say cause and effect is logic, another cause is already impliead as you cant have a cause without another cause causing it
GoOrDin

Con

I debate that you can have nothing an then something. Is this a valid way to accept your challenge?
Debate Round No. 1
vi_spex

Pro

creation=from nothing to something
transformation=from something to something
GoOrDin

Con

everything must come from "something".

however "Something" can be unmanifest and without any form to think of. (pertaining to absolutely nothing with nothing to convert from nothing into something. )

any manifest something, pertaining to absolutely any form, cannot be the origin or persisting existence of everything. Everything must have an alternative origin to itself, unconverted in nature.
Debate Round No. 2
vi_spex

Pro

matter can never be created or destroyed, only transformed, take and make the matter that is the apple nothing, I dare you

nothing is information, and imagination can never be reality, as they are opposites
GoOrDin

Con

Matter under no condition can be timeless. All matter at some point did not exist. Matter can be destroyed, and there is no scientific reason to believe it cannot, that is a 100% theoretical claim. However it is not a theoretical claim to state that all things before they were, were not. Hence, "Before they were,"
and factually one can measure to the beginning of time.

In order for the universe to have a law of physics it must play out these laws. These laws exist int he unmanifest. and of the unmanifest the purpose to arise occurs where as prior there was nothing at all.
Debate Round No. 3
vi_spex

Pro

matter is the balancing point between space and time, so matter is space and space is time, and information is the opposite of matter, matter is something, and information is nothing, 1 and 0

destruction is impossible, make the matter that is an apple nothing
GoOrDin

Con

GoOrDin forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
vi_spex

Pro

vi_spex forfeited this round.
GoOrDin

Con

GoOrDin forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
vi_spex
religion existed before the word religion could exist.

if you jump off the edge of a cliff does it matter what you mumbe on the way down or are you gonna splat no matter what?
Posted by cheyennebodie 2 years ago
cheyennebodie
Now biblical teaching says that words are the cause of all events in human environments.Words precede all that effects mankind.James 3rd chapter.The course of this natural world is set in motion by the tongue.Words are the kindling that sets on fire natural events. The curse causeless shall not come.E man who has control over his words has control over his environment.
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
vi_spex
the person determines the cause for why they punch them, that's the story you will hear, but there is a a lot of different scenarios
Posted by GoOrDin 2 years ago
GoOrDin
every person reacts differently and not all people punch back. therefor you do not determine cause nor effect.
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
vi_spex
intent can also be caused by what I know, I misspoke
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
vi_spex
the cause you punched him could also be because he just punched you for no reason, where as the reason would be now but when explaining it its from a memory or from scrapes or burses which would be now

so in a way, its natural for you to punch him because it was random to you that he punched you? don't know about this one
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
vi_spex
hmm think about this, if you punch some one in the face, and try to explain why because it was for bad reasons, the cause is pushed into the past or future, basically intent is caused by either memory or belief, so that's where the cause is in a way, you see what im saying? the arguments just move around the beginning of the cause, with a natural example is different
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
vi_spex
fear causes adrenalin. imagination and emotions can not exist without my physical body, so they are connected, if you cut off my head I will not be able to imagine anything, as false experience cant exist without true
Posted by GoOrDin 2 years ago
GoOrDin
Menopause is caused by testosterone. grade 6 sex ed class.

go smarten up and come back later.
Posted by GoOrDin 2 years ago
GoOrDin
Menopause is caused by testosterone. grade 6 sex ed class.

go smarten up and come back later.
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