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micromanagedbehavior
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DefenderofBacon
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i think donald trump is a civil righs threat to america's jewish community

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Started: 2/15/2017 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Debating Period
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micromanagedbehavior

Pro

I, as a philosemite, see donald trump as a threat to america's jewish community. His tweets regarding jews have been vulgar and reinforce the jewish conspiracy theory of a bloodlibel cabal or cult.

His populism has influenced an armed neonazi march in whitefish, montana and a numerous string of jewish related bomb threats at synagogues and community centers nationwide.

There have been no physical atracks against jews, but it is only a matter of time, in my opinion. Jews are not shot by police officers like the oppressed black community, or banned from travel or deported like the mexicans and muslims; however, it is only a matter of time before jews become subjects of discrimination by fed, state and city law enforcement agencies.

We must not forget about the holocaust, the silence of jewish suffering during the auschwitz camps. I think donald trump is a threat to the jews, do you?
DefenderofBacon

Con

I choose to accept this debate.

I, as a philosemite, see donald trump as a threat to america's jewish community. His tweets regarding jews have been vulgar and reinforce the jewish conspiracy theory of a bloodlibel cabal or cult.


Which specific tweets are you referring to? The one where the "David-like Star" was used? The program Word 2016 has six-pointed stars that look fairly similar to the Star of David. Does this mean that Microsoft is anti-Semitic?


His populism has influenced an armed neonazi march in whitefish, montana and a numerous string of jewish related bomb threats at synagogues and community centers nationwide.


That march was cancelled and "postponed" until February (still hasn't happened). It was actually motivated by Richard Spencer, who is a known neo-Nazi. Would you care to point out the individual bomb threat cases?


There have been no physical atracks against jews, but it is only a matter of time, in my opinion. Jews are not shot by police officers like the oppressed black community, or banned from travel or deported like the mexicans and muslims; however, it is only a matter of time before jews become subjects of discrimination by fed, state and city law enforcement agencies.


As you stated, there have been no physical attacks against the Jewish community. Blacks aren't oppressed nor are they shot in huge numbers (which is what you seem to be). In fact, more whites and Hispanics are killed by cops every year and blacks are more often killing the cops than being killed by them. The only ones that are being deported are the immigrants who came here illegally in the first place. The travel ban was issued for a small period of time so that the government could figure out what was going on and maybe get a better vetting system than before. To be honest, Trump could have just stopped all immigration (as his presidential power allows him). Back to the argument: Jews will not become the "subjects of discrimination" by any form of government.



We must not forget about the holocaust, the silence of jewish suffering during the auschwitz camps. I think donald trump is a threat to the jews, do you?


I agree that there are lessons to take from the Holocaust and it was certainly a tragic time in human history. Do I think Donald Trump is going to start widespread discrimination against the Jews? Absolutely not.


Good luck in the debate (by the way, this is my first debate on here).





Sources:
https://office-watch.com...

http://www.thestranger.com...

http://www.dailywire.com...

http://www.nationalreview.com...

Debate Round No. 1
micromanagedbehavior

Pro

The star of david tweet is defined as overt antisemitism, a term used by many prominet jewish civil rights advocates and journalists. It is when a antisemite uses subliminal jewish stereotypes to condone their closet antisemitism. Trump is advised by steven bannon who was qouted as saying, "jews are people who have no shame". I believe steven bannon's mentality along with trump's overt antisemitism, reinforces my argument regarding possible jewish civil rights abuses.

alt right leader, richard spencer , has ties with trump cabinet member, steven bannon. so despite the failed march, his ties to powerful leaders remain alarmingly terrifying to the jewish community.

I, nor does the fbi, maintain records of unwarranted police killings of black americans; however, media outlets, such as the guardian, has begun counting an alarming amount of deadly, unarmed police killings dubbed as ' the counted'. It doesnt, however, provide statistics of unarmed black man killed by police officers. Here is an interesting article: http://www.pbs.org...

I dont have time to list
indvidual jewish bomb threat since there have been so many. However, i do have a link that may help:

https://www.google.com...

Excuse my grammar and run on senence structure. I have ppl watching my activities becaue they think its cute to spy. I write stuff like this to get the excited
DefenderofBacon

Con

The star of david tweet is defined as overt antisemitism, a term used by many prominet jewish civil rights advocates and journalists. It is when a antisemite uses subliminal jewish stereotypes to condone their closet antisemitism. Trump is advised by steven bannon who was qouted as saying, "jews are people who have no shame". I believe steven bannon's mentality along with trump's overt antisemitism, reinforces my argument regarding possible jewish civil rights abuses.


At that point you could call anyone who has used a six-pointed star as being overtly anti-Semitic. In my local town, the sheriff has the classic sheriff’s badge which is six-pointed. Does this mean he is overtly anti-Semitic? If you believe that, then you are just accusing with no actual facts to back it. Journalists and others can say Trump’s tweet was overtly anti-Semitic but they can’t actually back it up with anything from his past. Also, I tried to look up that quote that Steve Bannon said. I could not find it anywhere. If you could source it to where he said it that would be nice. There is also no proof that Bannon is anti-Semitic. The only thing remotely close would be when he was allegedly accused by his ex-wife that he said Jews are “whiny brats” and that he didn’t want his kids going to that school. However, it is just an accusation and there is nothing else to back it up other than one witness.

alt right leader, richard spencer , has ties with trump cabinet member, steven bannon. so despite the failed march, his ties to powerful leaders remain alarmingly terrifying to the jewish community.


As you stated, Richard Spencer is the self-proclaimed, “leader of the alt-right”. Steve Bannon was quoted with saying that Breitbart was the “platform of the alt-right”. I agree that this can be a potential issue. However, I must also point out that he said that the alt right only represents a “tiny fraction” of its views. I also can’t find any specific ties that the two have together. I couldn’t find anything from if they met together in person or have ever even spoken to each other. All I can find is that they are both in favor of the alt-right movement. Nothing else.

I, nor does the fbi, maintain records of unwarranted police killings of black americans; however, media outlets, such as the guardian, has begun counting an alarming amount of deadly, unarmed police killings dubbed as ' the counted'. It doesnt, however, provide statistics of unarmed black man killed by police officers. Here is an interesting article: http://www.pbs.org......


I would prefer to keep away from this topic as it has digressed from the main one. I dislike using the Huffington Post (which in turn is sourcing The Guardian, same one you used) as a source but it definitely hits the truth on this one. It said that there were roughly 258 blacks killed by police in 2016. However, only 39 were unarmed. That is roughly 15% of the killings that year. They could have still been provoking the police without a weapon. I read the article and found it quite interesting. Of course I believe that there are white nationalists (as well as other extremists groups) in the police force and I hope that it is cleansed soon. However, I don’t believe that every officer that has shot a black person is a white nationalist or that they are racist.

I dont have time to list
indvidual jewish bomb threat since there have been so many. However, i do have a link that may help:


Jewish threats happen every year in America unfortunately. In 2009, there were 1,211 crimes that were committed against the Jewish population. Was this a direct response of Obama becoming president and him inciting these crimes? Of course not! We can’t look at these Jewish bomb threats and say that Trump is the one responsible for inciting them.


Note: I am not a fan of Steve Bannon nor do I have the same stance on many issues as he does.

Sources:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

http://archive.adl.org...

http://www.jta.org...

Note: I use this source in order to show that even the JTA acknowledges the fact that him saying Jews are “whiny brats” is alleged.

http://www.breitbart.com...

Note2: I don’t want to use this site, but I don’t have a subscription to the Wall Street Journal and it won’t allow me to view the full interview unless I get it. I will continue to look for another, more credible source, on this issue in the next round.

Debate Round No. 2
micromanagedbehavior

Pro

Here is an article regarding stephen bannon :: https://www.google.com...

Thank you for pointing out the statistical fatal police encounters. I i subjectively think however that there are a disproportionate amont of unarmed black fatalities. The policr officer, who killed unarmed eric garner, for example, received a significant raise even though his deskjob was defined as a demotion

Was he rewarded for his behavior ? Loretta lynch ,shortly before being replaced, annouced a new investigation into the killing of eric garner...This new investigation ,however ,may be scrapped due to the appointment of jeff sessions.

Richard spencer, donald trump and steve bannon all have the same ideology, which i define as antisemitic. Jared kushner,a jew, is part of trunps cabinet;however, steven bannon is trumps main adviser.

Excuse sentence structure
DefenderofBacon

Con

In the article it stated that the Jewish Republican Coalition "couldn't be happier with the results". I understand that they are the minority in this situation but don't you believe that if Trump showed any anti-Semitism they would be happy with that? Even if they detected over anti-Semitism, don't you think they would have decried him as well?

I am not going to argue on one specific police case regarding that. I do want to point out that Mr. Garner did not cooperate with the cops. I am not trying to justify the cop's actions, as they were extremely bad but he would not have had to do anything except put handcuffs on if Garner had cooperated. Also, the Trump adminstration is still looking into the case and will hopefully have it soon resolved. I had heard that he had received a raise and I agree that shouldn't have happened. Again, I am not saying that his actions are justifiable.

That's going a bit far saying that Richard Spencer and Donald Trump have the same ideology. To say Spencer and Bannon having the same ideology is even stretching it. Spencer is a neo-Nazi, Bannon is alt-right, and Donald Trump is a Republican (not in the traditional sense though). Jared Kushner is indeed a Jew who is a part of Trump's administration.

I would like to point out that Jared Kushner is also the husband of Ivanka Trump. If Trump was an anti-Semite, why would he let his daughter marry a Jew? His net worth is only around $200 million. Surely Trump, if he was an anti-Semite, could have found another rich suitor instead of Kushner? But no, he let his own daughter pick who she wanted to marry. Not only that, but he respects Jared because they are both buisnessmen. He believe Jared can get the job done in the best way. That's the great thing about Trump: it doesn't matter if you are black, Latino, white, Jewish, Christian, or any other race/creed. It just matters if you can do a satisfactory job in his cabinet. At the moment, Trump believes Bannon is able to do a well enough job to stay.

I don't believe Trump is anti-Semitic in any way.



Sources:

http://www.nydailynews.com...


http://www.hollywoodtake.com...
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Posted by DboPoint 1 year ago
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He is not a threat. He will be a good partner to Jewish community and Israel
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