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if Florida disagreed with the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) and wanted to become an independent co

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Started: 5/27/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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In the Civil War, the Confederacy(South) left the Union (North) after the election of Abraham Lincoln. The South believed Lincoln would enact policies which would be harmful to the southern economy, notably in regards to slavery.

If a state disagreed with the federal government today, would you be OK with letting that state leave the United States.


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1C1. Economic Cost

Leaving the United States is just not economically worth it, or even feasible. The vast majority of Southern States, including Florida, give FAR less in taxes to the Federal government than they recieve from it. In other words, the Feds and the North are subsidizing the South and West [1]. Currently, due to the effects of the Recession, ALL states are recieiving more money from the Feds than they give back -- but Florida takes much more than it gives, taking $1.20 for every $1.00 it gives [2]. What does this mean? This means that taxes in a seceeding Florida would rise to cover the welfare of all of the elderly, homeless, and unemployed. (Alternatively, you could let them starve in the Great Nation of Florida and save a few bucks.)

This doesn't even include the cost of buying all U.S. Federal property back, including all naval bases, all army bases, all scientific bases, and government offices.

Moreover, the new nation would need to set up an entirely new bureaucracy to run everything -- from scratch. This would worsen markets and dissuade investors and tourists, who would also be concerned about security in an entirely new nation. Tourism currently builds 121,000 jobs of average income $43,000 [3]. Expect that to disappear, as well as exports and other industries. Who wants to get a passport just to go to Florida when there's Louisiana or Georgia or South Carolina, and Florida has entirely different laws? Who wants to invest in a new country with changing bureaucracies and unstable manufacture?


1C2. Legal and Military Failure

It's illegal for a state to secede [4]. The Constitution does not allow for it, and neither does the Supreme Court. While you could argue that you would just militarily escape from these laws, we can look to the wonderful example of the Confederacy, which was crushed by the stronger economy and military of the United States. There is simply no way that Florida could possibly survive, especially because it's smaller than the Confederacy was, the Union is bigger than ever, and new technology favors the Feds.


In sum, it would kill the Florida economy and it would never work.

Moreover, who cares about Obamacare? It's just one law, that WILL work, and that GIVES money to Florida to deal with the sick. Great deal, huh?



Debate Round No. 1


LollyPoPs forfeited this round.


Forfeit, extend my arguments.
Debate Round No. 2
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by FuzzyCatPotato 2 years ago
I like that my opponent references the Confederacy, and then talks about secession. Great way to begin. >_>
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