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brokenboy
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vardas0antras
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if chuck norris in his prime were to fight bruce lee in his prime bruce lee would win

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Started: 1/2/2011 Category: Sports
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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brokenboy

Pro

Now we are talking real life none of that chuck norris is so great crap

rules are:
-they are in a octigon ring (UFC)
-they both are in prime
-we are aloud footage if it is a part of your argument
-bruce lee is using jeet kune do

other than that good luck if there are any rules you would like to set please send notify me in the next round for consideration
vardas0antras

Con

Without further ado Ill begin.

::Modal realism::
Definition:
"The doctrine advocated by David Lewis, that different possible worlds are to be thought of as existing exactly as this one does. Thinking in terms of possibilities is thinking of real worlds where things are different. "
Read more: http://www.answers.com...

::Chief Objection::
My opponent may claim that modal realism isn't necessarily true and he is right but for this debate he has to accept this since you said "Now we are talking real life " and then you said "they are in a octigon ring (UFC)". This is a contradiction because Bruce Lee is dead so we're not talking about the present or the future and they have not fought in the past on the "octigon ring (UFC)". Moreover there is no such thing as "octigon ring (UFC)".

Hence, for the set up to make sense we must assume that modal realism is true.

::The possible world::
Unlike Bruce Lee who is simply called "best fighter of all time", Chuck has many physically impossible "facts" entailed on him, especially over the last few years:
http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com...

::Equation::
A hundred "facts" of Chuck Norris that make him invincible - Few "facts" that make Bruce Lee invincible = Chuck Norris wins.

I know I have to elaborate and make few things clear, Ill do it in the next round.
Take care.
Debate Round No. 1
brokenboy

Pro

brokenboy forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
brokenboy

Pro

thank you for screwing up the debate as to using technicality and so i will start another debate and leave this one
vardas0antras

Con

"thank you for screwing up the debate"
1. The debate had -4 dislikes before I accepted it

"using technicality"
The fact is that you contradicted yourself. I had to make sense of this contradiction. Apparently, common sense = technicality. Incidentally, there's no such word "technicality". You managed to write only one sentence and yet you made misspellings and careless mistakes.

Summary of my previous argument:
Many things seemed like errors but I waited for my opponent to respond so that I could explain everything - I mentioned this in round 1. However, he didn't hence my argument is better by default.

A clearer equation:
1. In the universe where both rivals are at their prime, all made up "facts" are actually facts.
2. It is impossible for both people to be "the best".
3. Hence, we cancel out the "facts".
4. Chuck has more facts hence he wins due to his remaining "facts".

Conclusion:
If all premises are true then I win ; if no premise is challenged I win.
Result:
no premise is challenged
Final conclusion:
I win
Debate Round No. 3
brokenboy

Pro

Alright, firstly in your first argument my opponent implies that because Bruce lee is dead that chuck would auto matticaly win but if my opponent were to read the title "were to fight Bruce lee in his prime...." now dead does not sound like prime to me.

Secondly, in your first argument you stated that there is no such thing as an octagon ring (UFC) blah blah blah you all know what I meant either the octagon ring or the UFC ring.

as the definition you provided is correct in theory and theory alone and by one man it is not a law of reality it is ones view point on reality and different worlds as this cannot be proved we cannot use it as a basis for this argument and as none of these "possibilities" have been performed by Mr chuck Norris this is a useless statement

I am sorry for the confusion in the setup as I assumed my opponent would be smart enough to make sense of what I said I must have been mistaken

Now moving on to your second statement:
- the equation was refuted earlier in my statement
-where did I say that it is possible for both people to be the best?
-why do we cancel out the facts if we cancel out the facts then you are contradicting what you said about even made up things being facts and so if we were to do this then we would not be able to debate.
-once again you contradicted yourself by saying that chuck Norris has more facts when you just said that we have to take away all the facts

vardas0antras

Con

"Alright, firstly in your first argument my opponent implies that because Bruce lee is dead that chuck would auto matticaly win"
"the definition you provided is correct in theory and theory alone"
I said in Round 1:

"My opponent may claim that modal realism isn't necessarily true and he is right but for this debate he has to accept this since you said "Now we are talking real life " and then you said "they are in a octigon ring (UFC)". This is a contradiction because Bruce Lee is dead so we're not talking about the present or the future and they have not fought in the past on the "octigon ring (UFC)". Moreover there is no such thing as "octigon ring (UFC)".

" blah blah blah you all know what I meant either the octagon ring or the UFC ring."
No we didn't nor should we be reading between the lines for you.

"I am sorry for the confusion in the setup"
Not confusion but contradiction

"where did I say that it is possible for both people to be the best?"
You don't have to. Someone else can say this for this to work. I said this ; my argument works.

"why do we cancel out the facts if we cancel out the facts then you are contradicting what you said about even made up things being facts and so if we were to do this then we would not be able to debate."
I admit, I don't understand a word you said. Why wouldn't we be able to debate ?

"once again you contradicted yourself by saying that chuck Norris has more facts when you just said that we have to take away all the facts"
I didn't say that, what I did saw was that we should cancel out the facts that would cause contradiction.


Cheerio, and I can't believe I won with such a careless argument.




Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by gavin.ogden 6 years ago
gavin.ogden
Chuck Norris lost his virginity before his father.
Posted by gavin.ogden 6 years ago
gavin.ogden
The day Chuck Norris was born, one of the nurses looked at him and said, "Hey, that's Chuck Norris!" Then, she had sex with him.
Posted by Itsallovernow 6 years ago
Itsallovernow
Chuck Norris: Roundhouse kick to the face...KO
Posted by tvellalott 6 years ago
tvellalott
darceem wins. (Also, the movie was called Way of the Dragon and it's my favourite Bruce Lee movie)
Posted by darceem 6 years ago
darceem
By the time you start a debate about Chuck Norris, Chuck Norris has already won.
Posted by gavin.ogden 6 years ago
gavin.ogden
I don't think anyone is going to accept this challenge.
Posted by wjmelements 6 years ago
wjmelements
Fight scenes in movies are choreographed.
Posted by Cobo 6 years ago
Cobo
Bruce lee already beat up Chuck Norris.
Forgot what movie it was called, but bruce lee beat him.
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