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if possibilities are true, then atheism is true

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/12/2015 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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vi_spex

Pro

its not about perfection, its about necessety.. even the perfect conform to necessty
DT

Con

FIRST FLAW
Possibilities are true only if there are no contradictions with other possibilities.

The possibility that the earth is flat is contradictory with the possibility of circumnavigation.

It's possible for coins to be either heads or tails, but it's not possible for both to be realized simultaneously at the same time.

And so obviously, there you go...not all possibilities are true.

I'm neither disputing theism nor atheism.
I'm only disputing the flaw in your logic that "anything is necessarily true if possibilities are true".


SECOND FLAW
There is also missing element in your logic - possibilities are true only if they do not contradict with what you already verified in actuality.

So unless you have verified something (scientifically for example) to relate it to, you can't consider the possibility.

The possibility of a flying spaghetti monster is contradictory with aerodynamics, or contradictory with life-forms having both RNA (pasta and tomatoes) and DNA (monster).
Debate Round No. 1
vi_spex

Pro

possibility is at least 2, positive and negative... if positive is true, negative is true

possibilities are false, dosnt exist in reality, reality is

a coin has 3 sides, positive, negaitve and balance for it to exist

flip a coin and it will land on heads or tail unless you get really lucky
DT

Con

"possibilities are false, dosnt exist in reality"

This contradicts what you were arguing for. Your motion states - if possibilities are true, then atheism is true. So by admitting that possibilities are false, you defeated your own motion.

I entertain the possibility you are exposing the fallacy of ontological arguments from theist - that anything possible must necessarily exist.

Those arguments are false, and are really contingent to NOT contradicting other possibilities, and NOT contradicting those already verified true in actuality.

For reasons already mentioned, not all possibilities lead to actuality. You now said so yourself.

The possibility that earth was made in 7 days is contradictory with the possibility (eventually proven as an actuality) that dinosaurs existed millions of years ago.

If all possibilities are true simultaneously, they lead to contradictions.
So this premise can't be used to justify "then atheism is true".
Debate Round No. 2
vi_spex

Pro

atheism is not true, atheism is a possibility

you make claims, i see that

if earth is more then 7 days old then clearly its not possible that it is made 7 days ago
DT

Con

God created man in his image. You are a man.
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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Junior-Knight 1 year ago
Junior-Knight
Well suppose Atheism is true. All the universe came by itself:
I was walking yesterday and I saw a river and I couldn't cross to the other side, then suddenly I found a tree fell off and was being cut by itself till it made logs and worms till it made ropes and it began tying itself and became a boat till I crossed the river.
Now for the story. Did you believe it? No because you are a logical person. How you don't believe that the universe came from something.
An Arab man many years before Islam said footsteps are a sign to show you that there were people walking, and the baby camel is a sign that there were a mother camel.
I hope that satisfies you.
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
a coin has 3 sides, head, tail and a side to balance them*
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
i dont understand what your point is.. you seam to like rambling incoherently so i just went with it
Posted by twentyseven 1 year ago
twentyseven
If Mars is made of ice cream,God is true. Right? Vi_spex
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
if the moon is made of cheese god is true
Posted by twentyseven 1 year ago
twentyseven
So you're saying atheism is a possibility,and since possibilities are true,therefore atheism is true.You're statement is correct,But it's just playing with words.The real world is not like that.
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Reasons for voting decision: vi_spex simply made no sense. He contradicted everything he said eventually, and is not even active as an account anymore. I say con gets it.