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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/23/2011 Category: Economics
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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georgster101

Con

income tax was originally made to fund the military back in the world wars. It was supposed to be a TEMPORARY measure. however, those wars have ended, so why do we still have income taxes? The answer is that the government wats to make some quick undeserved cash off of our hard work.
Ore_Ele

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It is true that the income tax started for the reason of helping to pay for the civil war. To this I must ask, so what? Just because that is how it started, how does that make it any less of a legitimate means of revenue for the government? In fact it doesn't. The government needs to generate revenue to be able to pay for the basic needs of its people, such as roads, police, fire departments, and the like. This revenue is also used to pay for additional social services of which are not "needs" so much as "wants" of the people.

Since the government needs revenue to function (if you don't want the government to function, that is an issue with government, not a tax itself), we come to the question of how should the government generate revenue? Since the wealthy have more income, they have more of an ability to cover the revenue demand, and the only way to accurately tax that, is to tax income (since income is the founding source of the majority of wealth).

Income is also the easiest form of tax to make progressive, to regulate, and to audit (to ensure accuracy).

I will end with this and allow my opponent to present his argument, so that we may continue from there.

Thank you,
Debate Round No. 1
georgster101

Con

The government already receives enough income from other taxes, and income tax seems unfair to those who already make little money.

Also, their are moral things to consider. For one thing, we were promised that this would be a temporary measure to fund the war. however, this promise has been broken, as it is has been many decades since the war ended. As long as income tax remains, it shows that the government is untrustworthy, and that income tax is as much a display of treachery as it is a source of revenue.
Ore_Ele

Pro

"The government already receives enough income from other taxes, and income tax seems unfair to those who already make little money."

That is a personal opinion. Obviously, given the massive deficit, the government is not making enough money even with the income tax, let alone without it. And since the income tax is prorated, those that don't make much money at all, don't even pay an income tax. Thanks to deductions for children and the EITC, a family of four making $30,000 a year is likely not going to pay any income taxes to the feds. [1]

I feel the need to correct my opponent. Our first federal income tax was signed into law in 1861, and modified (into a progressive income tax) in 1862. This tax expired in 1866. [2] "And be it further enacted, that the duties on incomes herein imposed shall be due and payable on or before the thirtieth day of June, in the year eighteen hundred and sixty-three, and in each year thereafter until and including the year eighteen hundred and sixty-six and no longer."

It wasn't until 1894 that the income tax was revisited and applied as a peacetime tax via the revenue act. [3] So your claim that they lied to us is false. They correctly said that the income tax would end after the war (which it did) and it was a different government over 30 years later that brought it back on new terms.

That refutes all arguments posted so far.

Thank you,

[1] http://www.irs.gov...
[2] http://memory.loc.gov...
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org...
Debate Round No. 2
georgster101

Con

georgster101 forfeited this round.
Ore_Ele

Pro

I will extend my arguments.
Debate Round No. 3
georgster101

Con

georgster101 forfeited this round.
Ore_Ele

Pro

Extend again.
Debate Round No. 4
georgster101

Con

georgster101 forfeited this round.
Ore_Ele

Pro

Well, I will send this to voting, sorry that it was not a full debate.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by georgster101 6 years ago
georgster101
whut?
Posted by Koopin 6 years ago
Koopin
kfc
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct to Pro, Con forfeited. Pro also sourced his arguments and refuted Con's claims that the government did not need the income tax and that the government lied about using the income tax during peace time.
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Reasons for voting decision: simply because of the 3 forfeited rounds, I will vote only for the conduct and nothing else (since that would be bais).