The Instigator
Georgiaheartandsoul
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The Contender
jh1234lnew
Con (against)
Winning
6 Points

insanity; I am not crazy

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jh1234lnew
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 9/19/2014 Category: Funny
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Georgiaheartandsoul

Pro

I am not crazy. Crazy people know that they are crazy and I know that I am crazy therefore I am not crazy. And crazy means crazy so I am not crazy but yet I am crazy.
jh1234lnew

Con

Thanks to pro for this debate! I hope we can have fun with this humorous debate.

NOTE: "P" stands for "premise", and "C" stands for "Conclusion".

My opponent's argument can be summarized as follows:

P1: If someone is crazy, then they must know that they are, themselves, crazy
P2: Pro knows that he is crazy, but if he knows that he is crazy than he is not crazy, creating a paradox
C: Pro is not crazy

To win this debate, I have to disprove at least one premise to show that his argument does not follow.

Rebuttal of P1:

Here, I assume that by "crazy", pro means a "mental disorder".

Mentally ill people do not, necessarily, always know that they are mentally ill. This is because some mental disorders prevent people from knowing that other people have minds that may think differently than they do (This is called the theory of mind). For example, some mental disorders can cause people to fail the Sally-Anne test, a test of the theory of mind. (http://en.wikipedia.org...)

Because some people with mental disorders cannot comprehend the idea that others may think differently than them, and assume that everyone else will also know the exact same things as they do, they cannot know that they are different than other people.

If some mental disorders prevent people from knowing that they are different than other people, then not every person who is "crazy" knows that they are "crazy".

Rebuttal of P2:

Pro stated that the logical conclusion of him knowing that he is crazy means that he is not crazy. This is false, as it contradicts the previous point that people who are crazy know that they are crazy. This is because, assuming that P1 is true, all crazy people know that they are crazy, but non-crazy people do not necessarily all know that they are crazy, or not crazy.

Rebuttal of the Conclusion:

P2 creating a paradox does not necessarily indicate that Pro is crazy, as P2 proves that you cannot know if pro has a mental disorder, or that there is a logical contradiction. P2 does not prove that one possible conclusion out of the two is true.

If this is the case, then this also holds true:

P1: If I say a something, it is a lie.
P2: I said something.
C: It is a truth.

P1 and P2 prove there is a logical paradox, as P1 and P2 prove that they, themselves, are lies. However, the presence of a logical paradox does not indicate that a certain statement is true or a lie.

Debate Round No. 1
Georgiaheartandsoul

Pro

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jh1234lnew

Con

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Debate Round No. 2
Georgiaheartandsoul

Pro

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jh1234lnew

Con

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Debate Round No. 3
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by a_mysterious_stranger 2 years ago
a_mysterious_stranger
That's crazy.
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Vote Placed by 9spaceking 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: I'm sorry, pro, but you really didn't justify your part of the resolution with that mumble-jumble.
Vote Placed by dynamicduodebaters 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: The only one who made arguments