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is God real

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/17/2009 Category: Religion
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Rfrenchak

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if God is real or not
MTGandP

Con

I thank my opponent for this debate.

Definitions

God: the supernatural being conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator and ruler of the universe; the object of worship in monotheistic religions (http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...)

Real: occurring or existing in actuality (http://www.merriam-webster.com...)

I will now attempt to prove that God is not real.

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Contention 1: Omnipotence
Omnipotence is not logically possible. Sometimes there are two actions which are contradictory, and it is not logically possible to do both. For example, it is not logically possible for an "omnipotent" being to create a rock so large that even He cannot lift it.

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Contention 2: Omniscience
Omniscience conflicts with the concept of free will. If God knows what you are going to do before you do it, you did not freely choose that course of action; it was predetermined.

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Contention 3: Occam's Razor
By Occam's Razor, the simplest explanation is the best. "Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity.[1]" God is unnecessary to explain the universe. We have not yet encountered any phenomenon for which God is the simplest explanation. Therefore, we should not jump to the conclusion that God is real.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org...
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Posted by HistoryasIS 7 years ago
HistoryasIS
I would to add that ability and nature are not the same.

I may have The ability to do something but it does not mean because I have The ability I also have the nature for it.

It the same for God. God ability knows no end but he acts according to his nature.

God has the ability to strike me down with lighting but That not in his nature to just kill people for no reason.

You may say what about people who do evil is it in there nature? The answer is both Yes and NO.

First God nature knows no sin, in The sense he has no sin like humans having a sinful nature.
Humans have the ability to do good and evil and Good and evil is in everyone nature but this is no excuse to say hey so right if I did evil to someone it in my nature! because it also in our nature to know right from wrong.
Posted by HistoryasIS 7 years ago
HistoryasIS
Omnipotence is not logically possible. Sometimes there are two actions which are contradictory, and it is not logically possible to do both. For example, it is not logically possible for an "omnipotent" being to create a rock so large that even He cannot lift it.

I would not consider This a logical statement sense God is a spirit and God does things according to his nature which do not include making other gods or making rocks so big that he could not lift.

Sense God haves a nature like you and me does not mean he not allpowerfull or knowing .

God had given us his Word that decribes what He is Like.

Omniscience
Omniscience conflicts with the concept of free will. If God knows what you are going to do before you do it, you did not freely choose that course of action; it was predetermined.

God knowing The future from point to point does not change the fact that you yourself make choices base off your free will.

It better to say God knows what your going to do base on your own merit before you do it.

Contention 3: Occam's Razor
By Occam's Razor, the simplest explanation is the best. "Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity.[1]" God is unnecessary to explain the universe. We have not yet encountered any phenomenon for which God is the simplest explanation. Therefore, we should not jump to the conclusion that God is real.

what about Things logic can not explain?

If there something Logic can not explain then it makes sense to Think maybe something is out there.

Do you think logic can explain everything? How about this my grandma was washing dishes one day and the cabinet door open up and dish started to fly out. What logic would you bring?

because God acts according to his nature does not mean He not allpowerfull or all knowing sense being all powerfull and knowing is according to his nature and also because other things are not in his nature does not lessen his power in any way whatsoever.
Posted by abbadon 7 years ago
abbadon
that was more than an epic fail. i believe more of an UBER FAIL is necessary.
Posted by asiansarentnerdy 7 years ago
asiansarentnerdy
Wow..epic fail, lol..;)
Posted by MTGandP 7 years ago
MTGandP
"Go Pro!!!!!!!!!!"

Lol, yes, go ahead and support my opponent.
Posted by ninjaraygun 7 years ago
ninjaraygun
Go Pro!!!!!!!!!!
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