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is Ninja Sex Party better than Starbomb?

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/20/2015 Category: Music
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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zekromthepokemon

Pro

Nsp is a offensive, fun and overall enjoyable band. All of the songs I've heard from them are quality and I think the same of Starbomb but, personally I think NSP us better due to their jokes not being as restrained as Starbomb's songs are sometimes. Such as in the song "Everybody Shut Up" where all the jokes are just about Danny having an erection but, at the same time all the jokes are varied. For example in the second chorous they say "If justice is blind she's gonna miss this display," and in final verse of he song Danny is shot by the president's bodyguards while about the say to chorus. In a Starbomb song called "God og No More" Kratos is looking for another God to kill and its basically just listing different gods that wouldn't be able to even lay a crath on the God of War. While this is still fi=unny it's jokes are basically the same one stated over and over and changing the color of them.
ResponsiblyIrresponsible

Con

I accept.

Resolved: is Ninja Sex Party better than Starbomb?

PRO has the entirety of the burden of proof to demonstrate conclusively that Ninja Sex Party is objectively better than Starbomb. If he fails to do that or there is ambiguity by the end of this debate, you negate by default.

Therefore, there are four possible ways for me to win this debate:

(a) Prevent PRO from affirming
(b) Demonstrate that Starbomb is superior to Ninja Sex Party or could be better
(c) Demonstrate that the two are equal or could be equal
(d) Demonstrate that one cannot be objectively superior to the other, in which case PRO can't affirm.

I'm opting, obviously, for (d). Whether one is objectively as opposed to subjectively superior to the other is inherently subjective, and is based on nothing more than PRO's subjective opinion. In order to win, therefore, he must be able to do the following:

(a) establish a framework for objective superiority - i.e., tell us how, in principle, something can be objectively superior to something else
(b) actually prove that NSP, but no Starbomb, possesses these qualities

Thus far, as we can see from his opening arguments, we don't see either: we don't see him explain how one can be objectively superior to the other, or evidence that NSP but not Starbomb possesses certain qualities. He's doing nothing more than stating his opinion, which is obviously inadequate to affirming.


Just for fun, let's take a look at what he has sad so far.


PRO says, "Nsp is a offensive, fun and overall enjoyable band."

In the absence of some objective framework or some weighing mechanism, we are to assume that these are nothing more than PRO's subjective opinions - and he doesn't demonstrate that, even assuming these are positive qualities (and he gives us no reason to think that they are, and thus you ought not make any such assumption), that Starbomb doesn't also possess these qualities. Thus, we toss this out.

PRO says, "All of the songs I've heard from them are quality and I think the same of Starbomb but, personally I think NSP us better due to their jokes not being as restrained as Starbomb's songs are sometimes."

In this, PRO readily admits that he's reasoning from a fairly small sample size and is injecting nothing more than his own opinion, not an objective standard. Furthermore, he concedes that quality of songs is non-unique, and thus you toss that out immediatley. All he does is suggest that NSP is better because its joeks are not as restrained. We see (a) no evidence for this and (b) no reason that this can serve as a criterion for objective superiority. Thus, you also toss this out.

PRO says, "Such as in the song "Everybody Shut Up" where all the jokes are just about Danny having an erection but, at the same time all the jokes are varied. For example in the second chorous they say "If justice is blind she's gonna miss this display," and in final verse of he song Danny is shot by the president's bodyguards while about the say to chorus. In a Starbomb song called "God og No More" Kratos is looking for another God to kill and its basically just listing different gods that wouldn't be able to even lay a crath on the God of War. While this is still fi=unny it's jokes are basically the same one stated over and over and changing the color of them."

All PRO does here is give us his opinion on very few isolated examples from songs from the two even though he admits that he hasn't seen all the songs. We have no evidence that either of these are true objectively, but even if they are, we have no framework by which to discern that they establish objective superiority. Again, in the absence of that, you toss these contentions out.


Back to PRO.
Debate Round No. 1
zekromthepokemon

Pro

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Debate Round No. 3
zekromthepokemon

Pro

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Debate Round No. 4
zekromthepokemon

Pro

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ResponsiblyIrresponsible

Con

PRO has done nothing to advance his BOP and has forfeited every round. My rebuttals remain uncontested.

Therefore, vote CON.
Debate Round No. 5
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by SlenderKitty 2 years ago
SlenderKitty
I'm pretty sure Nsp is a singer in Starbomb.
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