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fredman15
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Loserboi
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is SAT required to get in a good college

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Started: 7/29/2010 Category: Education
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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fredman15

Con

Hello iam freddie and iam totally against how you have to have a good SAT test score to get in college you may have had a 3.9 GPA and be a bad test taker and do bad on that and that college looks at that and says no his SAT scores were to low he is not getting in i think it is unfair and very wrong
Loserboi

Pro

First of all the SAT is a test to see if prospective students are ready for college. My opponent has used the very popular I'm a "bad test taker" excuse to say the colleges judgment of a students admission is unfair. Well I just got to say in college a vast majority of your grade will be on the Mid Term, and Final not homework or participation so if you are a "Bad test taker" you won't survive very long in college to begin with. Having a 3.9 GPA does not necessarily prove anything because there are a lot of different scenarios colleges must consider like maybe your school is full of teachers who do not grade very hard on tests, which would explain why a student would have such a bad SAT score but a high GPA. A student with a high GPA could easily have just gone to a very low difficulty high school like a high school trying really hard to seem like they have high GPA average. I have seen these schools first hand, in my freshman year of high school I attended one of San Francisco's lower high schools and they gave us a grade for homeroom just to raise our GPA. The SAT is a reasoning test taken by every college hopeful and it compares their reasoning ability with the rest of the country who have also taken the same difficulty test so the college system can tell who really is intelligent and who's piggy backing on a easy school system. It would be common sense that a student with a high GPA would have a high SAT score but when a student with a high GPA gets a very low SAT score their high GPA loses all merits because their skills have not been proven.
Debate Round No. 1
fredman15

Con

ok I agree with you the SAT is a test to see if you are ready for college well lets say if you are not a bad test taker lets say if you have to take the SAT on a saturday and your mom died that morning you still have to take that test well you know that is gonna be on your mind all morning you will not be able to focus on anything and look you do bad when you are actually a good test taker but something happan that morning that nobody knew would happan and when that college see's hey he has a 3.9 GPA he is smart he is in many clubs class presidents OOOPPPPP look he did bad on his SAT score when you can not say why you did bad they just see that test score and then you work hard all high school for this college and that unexpected thing hapopan and you did bad on your SAT and boooommmm ur dream collapse that college did not take you and your whole dream and what you work for is destroyed
Loserboi

Pro

The SAT is offered SEVEN times in a year and your telling me this student felt the pain of his mother's death the entire year and couldn't focus on any of the SEVEN opportunities he had to take the SAT? The SAT give many opportunities for a person to retake the test so even if that one in a million dilemmas were to happen a student can always retake the SAT. There is also an option that collegeboard gives the test taker which is a person has 3 days after the taken SAT to make the score not count to colleges, all they gotta do is notify them. The SAT proctor will mention this in the instructions so there is absolutely no reason why a good test taker and a smart student with a said GPA of 3.9 would do bad on a SAT he is ready for. If he is not ready because of set scenario make a call to collegeboard to void the test it's that simple, void the test and retake it when the said test taker is ready.
Debate Round No. 2
fredman15

Con

ok good point but what if they dont have enough money to take it that many times what if they only have enough money to take it one time and they are counting on scholarships to get in college and they have a lot of scholarship to get in a college ok and all they hvae is enough money for them to take it one time they could be on a tight budget or we can use the example about the mother dying since the mother died they have lost lots of money so they can only afford it one time and that was the time when the mother died so what is he gonna do now he did bad because is mother died when he knew he can do good and he also dont have the money to retake it again so then what he is messed up
Loserboi

Pro

I never ever paid to take the SAT just to let you know, I always went to my schools college and career center and qualified for FEE WAIVERS. If students are in a financial bind they can qualify for fee waivers that can help them pay for the SAT. My schools College Career center offered me 4 SAT Fee Waivers so i took the SAT 2 times and the subject tests twice for free because my parents do not make a lot of money. Since your student just recently lost his mother I am sure there is no way a child of a single parent who struggle financially won't qualify for a fee waiver. Since this student would have to go to a college career center to sign up for scholarships or something that's similar to one he/she should know about the many opportunities that can help him with his academic career including these fee waivers.

"Eligible students receive a total of four fee waivers during their academic career—two for the SAT and two for the SAT Subject Tests."

http://professionals.collegeboard.com...
Debate Round No. 3
fredman15

Con

where iam from you have to pay for it but anyways ok if you do have free waivers lets say if you are this smart person with a 3.9 GPA class presidents and all these clubs and you did bad on the first SAT then you have to take it again and you did good now come on that looks kind of fishy of you doing so horrible to so great i mean college may have suspision of you cheating or something because thats fishy right there and you dont want a college to get suspiscious of you also even if you did do so good on a SAT and you have that 3.9 GPA class presidents and also clubs then what was the whole point of taking that SAT there was no point because you alreayd knew you could do could on it so there is no point in taking it so not only did you just wwaste your money or if you got a free one then you wasted your time and the colleges wasted their time in looking at it
Loserboi

Pro

It's not fishy or suspicious many students are like that, the first time is always the hardest because some people do not know what to expect from the SAT. So the second time they take it, they know how the time limits works, how to formulate a strategy to answer questions faster, they become more efficient the 2nd time because the test has become familiar to them. It is not easy to cheat on the SAT they check your ID, a proctor is supposed to walk around the room checking the desks, and nobody knows what is exactly going to be on the test so they can't acquire the answers before anyone else. Colleges look at your highest scoring SAT because the only time your SAT loses merit is i heard after the 3rd try. With all the tools students have to increase their SAT scores whats so suspicious maybe the second time their parents signed them up for SAT prep courses like none of us on this site has never been to one. There are many books as well with prep questions and practice test to better prepare someone, so that their SAT score can improve.

To add to that a student could have cheated their entire way through high school, a class president is just a popularity contest and joining clubs is not exactly hard. Nobody is there to watch your every move through the 4 years of high school and it is a lot easier to cheat in high school on tests, homework, projects, etc. Since the SAT is the same test taken by everyone colleges can tell who really knows the material and who dosen't as well as who probably cheats in high school to get a good GPA.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Loserboi 5 years ago
Loserboi
cool story bro needs more dragons and sh1t
Posted by cobiader 5 years ago
cobiader
Wow, is all I've got to say. Neither of you had good arguments. Is SAT required to get in a good college? The answer is no, and it was an easy win, if you would have set it up right. I dropped out of high school and graduated from the University of Georgia's financial planning program which is #2 in the country. What about the ACT? What about transferring from a junior college? What about the fact that "good college" is subjective?
Posted by DarthMaster 6 years ago
DarthMaster
Oh my...! This was an onslaught. The pro clearly won!
Posted by Grape 6 years ago
Grape
This is a retarded debate. You can get into Harvard without taking the SAT ever.

It's called the ACT.
Posted by XStrikeX 6 years ago
XStrikeX
Oh man, the spelling and grammar was so horrible on both sides. It made me sooo angry.
Posted by Loserboi 6 years ago
Loserboi
thank you too it was fun
Posted by fredman15 6 years ago
fredman15
thank you for debating with me you put up a strong argument
Posted by sadolite 6 years ago
sadolite
Be an entrepreneur instead. Make something from nothing and create jobs. College only teaches litigation, regulation, bigotry, racism and class warfare.
Posted by Loserboi 6 years ago
Loserboi
o best one is my friend got into M.I.T without taking the SAT but she took the ACT
Posted by Loserboi 6 years ago
Loserboi
But you really can get into a good college with a crappy SAT score
many of my friends had a GPA of 3.8-4.1 with an SAT score of 1700-1900
and they got into Berkeley, one got into Stanford from my first high school with a gpa of 4.5 and a 1750 SAT, i can list many great examples. Times are changing and colleges these days look more at your GPA than your SAT because of the recent declining SAT scores in the past years. My teacher complained everyday about that saying kids cheat in school to get a high GPA and when they get to college they know nothing and struggle eventually dropping out.
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