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diane_16
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Mangani
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is exorcism exist???

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Started: 12/5/2008 Category: Religion
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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diane_16

Con

for me exorcism does not exist in real life because people who believe in it are just having some problems that they just using it as a defense for their illness.
Mangani

Pro

According to the Catholic Encyclopedia:

Exorcism is (1) the act of driving out, or warding off, demons, or evil spirits, from persons, places, or things, which are believed to be possessed or infested by them, or are liable to become victims or instruments of their malice; (2) the means employed for this purpose, especially the solemn and authoritative adjuration of the demon, in the name of God, or any of the higher power in which he is subject.

The word, which is not itself biblical, is derived from exorkizo, which is used in the Septuagint (Genesis 24:3 = cause to swear; III(I) Kings 22:16 = adjure), and in Matthew 26:63, by the high priest to Christ, "I adjure thee by the living God. . ." The non-intensive horkizo and the noun exorkistes (exorcist) occur in Acts 19:13, where the latter (in the plural) is applied to certain strolling Jews who professed to be able to cast out demons. Expulsion by adjuration is, therefore, the primary meaning of exorcism, and when, as in Christian usage, this adjuration is in the name of God or of Christ, exorcism is a strictly religious act or rite.

So, according to Catholic Encyclopedia, exorcism is strictly a religious act or rite. Prayer is also a religious act or right, and it exists. Fasting is also a religious act or right, and it also exists. Meditation in many religions is a religious act or right, and it, too, exists. The belief of the person is what matters most when performing a religious act or right.

Regardless of whether demonic possession is a mental disorder, or a reality, if a person believes they are possessed then an exorcism may well release them from that belief. Just as someone who believes they are cursed is relieved by the claims of a practitioner who claims to be able to lift curses. The same can be said for the placebo effect in medicine. If a person believes they are being cured of a true malady, many times the placebo effect cures them of that malady. Just as well, a hypochondriac can be "cured" of his perceived maladies by placebo. (http://www.fda.gov...)

The Catholic Church recognizes three forms of exorcism. Now, for the record, I am only using the example of the Catholic Church because it is an established and enforced belief, and as they define exorcism and practice it, there is no argument against the existence of a rite, ritual, or practice that actually takes place. The presence of demons and other evil spirits during an exorcism is irrelevant because exorcism is the rite, and the belief in this rite is what makes it real for those who practice it, and the non-belief in this rite is what makes it "not real" for those who don't believe in evil spirits, demons, and other entities.

Baptismal exorcism - blessing an infant prior to baptism to cleanse it of evil resulting from original sin

Simple exorcism - blessing a place or thing to rid it of evil influence

Real exorcism - performing the Rite of Exorcism to rid a human being of diabolical possession

Judaism, Islam, and Hinduism also recognizes the practice of exorcism, all within their own context.

As my opponent presented a pretty vague argument in R1, and before I get too in depth, I would like to allow my opponent to respond, and present any counter-arguments.

Thank you.
Debate Round No. 1
diane_16

Con

diane_16 forfeited this round.
Mangani

Pro

I don't understand why my opponent forfeited the round, and due to the lack of argument in her first round it is difficult for me to continue my point without hearing a rebuttal. I will await my opponent's rebuttal, if she has one.

Thank you.
Debate Round No. 2
diane_16

Con

diane_16 forfeited this round.
Mangani

Pro

Mangani forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
diane_16

Con

diane_16 forfeited this round.
Mangani

Pro

"people who believe in it are just having some problems that they just using it as a defense for their illness."
-Because my opponent has not responded, I will at least respond to this statement.

From Wikipedia: "The Roman Catholic Ritual of exorcism approaches the subject with a procedure of presuming of mental or physical illness and employing mental health and medical professionals to rule out physical or mental causes before authorization of the exorcism ritual. When all possible benign causes of exorcism are ruled out, the case is treated as a malignant demonic possession.

Demonic possession is not a valid psychiatric or medical diagnosis recognized by either the DSM-IV or the ICD-10. Those who profess a belief in demonic possession have sometimes ascribed the symptoms associated with mental illnesses such as hysteria, mania, psychosis, Tourette's syndrome, epilepsy, schizophrenia or dissociative identity disorder to possession. In cases of dissociative identity disorder in which the altar personality is questioned as to its identity, 29% are reported to identify themselves as demons. Additionally, there is a form of monomania called demonomania or demonopathy in which the patient believes that he or she is possessed by one or more demons.

The fact that exorcism works on people experiencing symptoms of possession is by some attributed to placebo effect and the power of suggestion. Some supposedly possessed persons are actually narcissists or are suffering from low self-esteem and act a "demon possessed person" in order to gain attention."

Yes, there are cases in which people act demon possessed in order to gain attention. There are cases where mental disorders or psychological illnesses may be overlooked. There are also cases that science cannot explain, and where science claims the "placebo effect" cured the person cannot be proven as not having been demon possession. You cannot prove the existence of demons. No matter how much proof of the paranormal is presented to a skeptic they will always find a hypothetically logical explanation. What CAN be proven is that the ritual of exorcism itself DOES exist, and HAS worked thousands of times on different individuals believing to be demon possessed. This debate, however, is not about whether or not demons exist. That is an argument of personal belief, faith, and opinion- as I have pointed out, no matter how much evidence a skeptic is presented with they will remain a skeptic. Is exorcism real? Yes. Does it work? Many times it does.
http://www.newoxfordreview.org...
Debate Round No. 4
diane_16

Con

diane_16 forfeited this round.
Mangani

Pro

My opponent posted one argument... if you can call it that. It was terribly written (spelling and grammar), not thought out and contradictory (exorcism does not equal demonic possession, rather it is the ritual intended to relieve a person from this believed affliction), didn't present any sources, forfeited all but the first round, and never presented a rebuttal.

I rest my case...
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Mangani 7 years ago
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Seriously? I'm getting vote bombed even on this debate?
Posted by I-am-a-panda 8 years ago
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Me finks this is a vote bomber
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 8 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
Resolution is ungrammatical and Instigator is Con. It's a trap!
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