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is there good reason to think that jesus in islam is the son of god

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Started: 8/6/2013 Category: Religion
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saleh

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hi to everybody,im going to argue that jesus in islam is the son of god even the quran did not mention that literally ,the bible says (nevertheless he left not himself without witness)acts14:17 and jesus said ( search the scriptures...)john5:39 ....but i have found that there are many properties in the character of jesus that can make him the son of god (and we are going to talk islamic about jesus)
AbirHBK

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I totally disagree that Jesus in Islam is 'The Son Of God'.
Jesus or Isa is the messenger of god just like Hermes in Greek Mythology. Jesus or Isa was sent to Israel to guide it's children with a new scripture. The name Jesus is mentioned precisely 25 times in the Quran,whereas Mohammad is only mentioned 4 times also, The belief in Jesus and all other messenger gods is required in Islam.
There is a story behind all this that most of the people know and is also mentioned in the Bible.
Debate Round No. 1
saleh

Pro

hi to everybody,im going to argue that jesus in islam is the son of god even the quran did not mention that literally ,the bible says (nevertheless he left not himself without witness)acts14:17 and jesus said ( search the scriptures...)john5:39 ....but i have found that there are many properties in the character of jesus that can make him the son of god (and we are going to talk islamic about jesus)
first: the properties of jesus in islam
the possibilty for allah to take a wife:
(if allah had intended to take a son ,he could have chosen from what he creates whatever he willed) translator: sahih international,surah az-zumar 39:4
therefore the quran states that Allah could take a wife there is a possibility
then god had his choice that is maryam (mary)over of all women in the world
it starts with choosing her fathers as prophets
(and we have certainly given to david and solomon knowledge and they said (praise {is due}to Allah who has favoured
us over of his believing servants) translator: sahih international, surah an-naml 27:15
and as we know that mary is from david's offspring
in his book sheik tantawi states-which it is in arabic-":and mary the daughter of imran-from david offspring....."( tafsir alwaseet fee tafsir al quran al kareem surah maryam)
in arabic"وهي مريم ابنة عمران من سلالة داودعليه السلام"
and jesus is the son of david in the bible we read "concering his son jesus christ our lord which was made of the seed of david according to flesh" romans 1:3
in the quran surah3:33 "indeed ,allah chose adam and noah and the family of abraham and the family of imran over the worlds" translator:sahih international
the family of imran :is the family of jesus
so we have found that allah had chosen david and solomon the fathers of christ ,preferred them over of all his servants in the worlds ......why he had do that?
secondly:
allah had sent angels to mary to tell her that she was chose by allah
sahih international ,al-imran 3:42
"and {mention} when the angels said "o mary,indeed allah had chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the world"
the quran states that allah purified mary and i ask why? why all that attention about mary?
its like man wants to marry he choose the girl he want to marry and prepared her for wedding
Mary was protected from the devil :
in al- imran 3:36"and i seek refuge for her in you and [for] her descendants from satan ,the expelled [from the mercy of allah] translator :sahih international
the mission :
then the angels sent her a divine telegraph as it said in the quran
al-imran 3:45"o,maruim,surely allah gives you good news with a word from him whose name is messiah" translator :shakir
conclusion:
that allah had chosen mary and purified her and taking care of her then he sent a good news to her that she will get pregnant of a word from him ........why all that ? the only answer i can give is jesus the son of god
thirdly:
the prophet john (yahya)before jesus to confirm the word from god
al -imran 3:39 translator:shakir
"then the angels called to him as he stood praying in sanctuary:that allah gives you the good news of yahya verifying a word from allah"
and ibn kathir said in his tafsir .....(www.qtafsir.com)
al-imran verse 39
believing in the word from allah means "believing in issa son of mary"
the role of this prophet is only to make a way for jesus that will come after him
second pivotal point:maryam 19:17 ,translator :sahih international
"and she took in seclusion from them a screen .then we sent to her our angel"
in anoter translation
and screened herself off from them then we sent her our spirit and he become manifest to her in the likness of flawless man" http://quran.worldofislam.info...
why in the first translation (sahih international)had translated (روحنا) to an angel whilre its literally mean (our spirit)
and does an angel gives the children or does god do that?or this spirit is god himself ?
because in the quran god is the only one who gives children
in surah 42:49"to allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth he creates what he wills he gives to whom he will
female [children] and he gives to whom he wills male" translator :sahih international
in the surah 4:170 that jesus 'ISA is the word of god and his spirit
translator shakir"the messiah isa son of maruim is only a messenger of allah and his word which he communicated to maruim a spirit from him"
in a book wrote by imam ibn kaim jawzia (alruh (the spirit)) -which it is in arabic
"واما هدا الروح المرسل الى مريم فهو روح الله......فكان لمريم بمنزلة الاب لسائر الانواع فان نفخته لما دخلت فرجها كان دلك بمنزلة لقاح الدكر للانثى"
كتاب الروح ص155ج1
the literal translation is "and this spirit who has been sent to mary is the spirit of god ....
and he was as the father for all species so his blow when it enter her (famale part)
it was like fertilizing for a male to female "
then we can conclude that allah is the father of jesus
in surah 66:12 ,translator:picthall
"and mary daughter of imran whose body was chaste,therefore we breathed there in something of our spirit"
surah 2:87"and we gave isa son of maruim ,clear arguements and strengthened him with the holy spirit" translator:shakir
surah2:253"and we gave clear miracles to is isa son of maryam and strengthened him with holy spirit"
does the holy spirit is god himself ?and if so why it is just for is (jesus)?or it is a partner with allah ?
and does the word of god created or or its eternal?
AbirHBK

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Debate Round No. 2
saleh

Pro

im not going to post anything until y opponent responds to me .....until he do that i think he is agree with what i say ...then he has to believe in jesus as the son of god.......
AbirHBK

Con

I agree that Jesus in Islam is the son of god
You won!!!
Debate Round No. 3
saleh

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AbirHBK

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Debate Round No. 4
saleh

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AbirHBK

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