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salluneorock
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is urbanization solely responsible for pollution.....

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 9/3/2008 Category: Education
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Voting Period
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salluneorock

Pro

i feel yes urbanization is responsible for the pollution....
of course wen it comes of land for increasing people in urban...one goes for deforestation nd contributes in contamination of air.
wen it comes of vehicles there is no escape to the deadly gasses nd the shouting horns.
all kind of pollution exist due to us.
even if v c for agriculture poin if view urban farmers afford to use more nd more of the pesticides nd other chemicals which pollute the soil nd make the land unproductive.
so in a way v ourself have created problem for us!
Rezzealaux

Con

I negate, that "[U]rbanization is solely responsible for pollution".

Urbanization: to make or cause to become urban, as a locality. (dictionary.com)
Urban: of, pertaining to, or designating a city or town. (dictionary.com)
Solely Responsible: The only cause of (combination of dictionary.com definitions)
Pollution: the introduction of harmful substances or products into the environment. (dictionary.com)

Observation: Since "pollution" is unspecified, we will assume that it refers to pollution on a global scale.

My opponent has the burden of proof of showing that Urbanization is the one and only cause of pollution, as it is the resolution he wrote and put forth as true. Even if I lose all of my arguments and refutations, if he has not proved the resolution true then you default CON because CON lacks such a burden.

"i feel yes urbanization is responsible for the pollution...."
1) And I feel no. Who wins?
2) "feelings" in this context are irrelevant to truth.

"of course wen it comes of land for increasing people in urban...one goes for deforestation nd contributes in contamination of air."
1) I can't really read what all of this says, so if I miss something I'll respond to it next round.
2) But from what I can figure out, I must disagree. If anything, urbanization SLOWS DOWN deforestation, as it attempts to put more stuff in a lesser amount of space. What causes the most deforestation is FARMING, which requires FLAT LAND - unlike in urban food production methods, which use processes such as Hydroponics. Basically, that argument works for me.
3) Yes, there is "contamination" of air inside big cities... but it's the same in the countryside. I'm pretty sure most of the tractors out there are still running on diesel. I'm also pretty sure that those tractors aren't getting 30+ MPG. Actually, it doesn't matter what their MPG is. They're polluting the air as well, destroying PRO's position that urbanization is the sole cause for pollution.

"wen it comes of vehicles there is no escape to the deadly gasses nd the shouting horns."
1) Well, I just talked about an example where vehicles aren't in cities. Cross apply that here.
2) I'm assuming he means sound pollution when he talks about the horns. I'm pretty sure those horns can be used just as well out in the mountains, so it's still nonunique to urban areas.

"all kind of pollution exist due to us."
1) Nontopical. We're talking about urbanization's link to pollution, not humanity's link to pollution.
2) Volcanoes throw up lots of stuff into the air. They're not caused by urbanization.
3) Stardust (or rather, remains of meteors) also puts bad stuff into the air. They're not caused by urbanization.

"even if v c for agriculture poin if view urban farmers afford to use more nd more of the pesticides nd other chemicals which pollute the soil nd make the land unproductive."
1) I don't know what "v c" means, so if that becomes important I'll respond to it next round.
2) Urban farmers don't have to use pesticides and other chemicals.
3) Rural farmers can use pesticides and other chemicals.
4) Hydroponics doesn't use soil.

"so in a way v ourself have created problem for us!"
1) Nontopical.
2) Not an argument.

I await an argument from PRO that achieves his burden of proof.
Debate Round No. 1
salluneorock

Pro

u jst giving a simple logic for hiding our mistakes....
i know that urbanization is a realistic approach but dont u think that with such a rapidly growing urbanization ratio we have made this earth more polluted then what it was ears ago!
i'm saying dont go for direct cause but if you go to grass roots of anything you'll find urbanization is the main cause!
Rezzealaux

Con

"u jst giving a simple logic for hiding our mistakes...."

And ignoring my refutations does not take them out.

"i know that urbanization is a realistic approach but dont u think that with such a rapidly growing urbanization ratio we have made this earth more polluted then what it was ears ago!"

Well actually on a per capita ratio, I think we're polluting the earth much LESS than we have in the past. In the cities, many things run on ELECTRICITY (which doesn't pollute much) as opposed to in the countryside, where many things run on DIESEL. Reapply the "tractor" and "deforestation" points from my last round here.

"i'm saying dont go for direct cause but if you go to grass roots of anything you'll find urbanization is the main cause!"

If you go to the bottom of everything, then you'll find that existence is the root cause of all our problems.
But I digress.

My opponent has thus far still failed to show that urbanization is the sole cause for pollution.
He is not meeting the burden of proof and therefore is losing the debate.
Debate Round No. 2
salluneorock

Pro

can u give me out some more points to clearify my doubts...
i need it for ma debate here...in 'against'
Rezzealaux

Con

"can u give me out some more points to clearify my doubts..."

How many points do I need to make to win this debate? Well, none really. As long as my opponent has not given any positive reason to believe the resolution is true, then you default vote CON due to burden of proof. On top of that, however, I've already made more than enough arguments to show that urbanization isn't solely responsible for pollution: the resolution says solely, meaning all, and that means all I need to do to disprove it is provide just one example.

And I've provided tractors, volcanoes, and stardust. (There are plenty more, of course. I just haven't mentioned them.)

None of which were responded to.

Since my opponent has failed to meet the burden of proof,
And since I have given reasons to believe that the resolution is outright false,

You vote CON.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Lexicaholic 5 years ago
Lexicaholic
Ugh. Okay, RFD: Con
(1) Agreed with Con at beginning.
(2) Still do.
(3) Tie, nothing really bad either way.
(4) Con had better spelling and grammar. I think.
(5) Con made the more convincing argument, because Con showed how pollution was not solely caused by urbanization and Pro never refuted it.
(6) No sources cited, so a tie there.
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 5 years ago
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"u jst giving a simple logic for hiding our mistakes...."

Uh, Pro... If you admit he is logical, then if he contradicts you, and you provided the premises... you lose ipso facto :D
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