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islam a religion of peace.

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farazkhattak

Pro

ISLAM a religion of peace: where our greeting start with Assalam u alaikum (English: peace be on you) today people says that Islam is a religion of terror and Muslims are the terrorists. i am asking that how you can judge a whole religion by the actions of few people or a group of people. actually people who are declaring Muslims as terrorist are the types of people who don't believe in truth. why we forgets about 1st world war who started 1st world war ? who started the second world war? who threw atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? who killed hundred and thousands of Muslims in Iraq? who are killing hundred and thousands of people in Palestine? who killed thousands of people in Afghanistan? who killed hundreds of people in Pakistan? which country is doing UN justice to be the super power of the world? in these all questions you will not found any single Muslim person or any Muslim country. the example of Libya and Syria is in front of us. Muslims lands are invaded. Muslim children s became orphans what is fault of children s? Islam condemn to kill Female, child, old age people, sick people, weak people, people without guns, poor people, disable people which means Islam is against terrorism. our beloved PROPHET mentioned in his hadith ( if you want to be a real muslim you will make people safe). islam does not allow terrorism islam does not tell us about discrimination. islam does not allow us to become cruel towards animals. islam does not permit us to hurt others. this is our believe as a mulims that if we hurt someone without reason then we will answerable to our ALLAH (the creator of entire universe) on the day of judgement. Islam does not permit us to killed children s and women in battle. but the fact is that no a days no one want to agree with truth because every one know who is the real terrorist who are violating the rules. people who are talking about to condemn attacks in Paris why they are silent on the destruction of Syria, aqsa mosque, Palestine, Iraq, Libya, Egypt.. all Muslims countries are under fire are under attacks their land are invaded and still people calls Muslims terrorist and Islam a religion of terrorism. no no no i condemn that Islam is terrorism support religion....ISLAM IS RELIGION OF PEACE.
bananaedmonkey

Con

I accept this debate and look forward to debating.


I will prove that Islam is not a religion of peace, and more of a religion of violence and war.

Case 1: Terrorism
I don't think I will have to cite a source to prove ISIS is a Islam extremist group. Nor will I have to cite a source for the fact they do awful things in the name of Islam.

The fact that ISIS exists is proof that the Quran and the teachings of Islam can be interpreted in a way so that it is violent and warlike.

Case 2: Muhammad was a Barbarian.

Little quote of Muhammad starting a war

"From his base in Medina, Muhammad began a series of raids against the Meccan caravans. While the first six raids failed, the seventh raid—the “Nakhla raid”—was a success. The problem was that the Muslims attacked during a holy month in which everyone had agreed not to fight. An innocent man was even killed during the raid. This eventually led to war between the Muslims and Mecca."
Second quote:
"For the next ten years until Muhammad’s death in 632 AD, the Muslims never stopped fighting."
http://www.4truth.net...

I find it difficult to believe that Islam is a religion of peace if your prophet is starting wars.

The site above also has more ugly things that Muhammad has done or has allowed his men to do. This Includes:


    • Raping women (18+)
    • Raping young girls (13-18)
    • Raping REALLY young girls (6-13)
    • taking slaves of above girls
    • sell and kill slaves
    • kill all men.
    • Muhammad himself had raped with a girl who was only nine.
    • a quote of Muhammad: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims."
    • After the quote above Muhammad attacked the Jews and killed all the grown men and raped all the women.


I think we can conclude that Muhammad was a Warmonger at the least.


Case 3: The Quran encourages Warmongering

Here is a couple quote of the Quran encouraging Terrorists like ISIS.

Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."

This is not cherry picking, there are websites that have hundreds of quotes from the Quran like this, like this one:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com...
And this one:
http://worldmediamonitoring.com...

This website alone has 532 Quran quotes!
532!!!!
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com...



I have proved that Islam has been a religion of war from its beginnings until now. I have also proved their "holy" book is evil.

I am looking forward to rebuttals





Debate Round No. 1
farazkhattak

Pro

i welcome you in this debate. i am very surprised that you called Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him a barbarian. for you kind of information he is the mercy to the all mankind. if you go through the history and read about the life of prophet peace be upon him so you will find out how merciful he was to the mankind not only to humans but for animals also. i am so surprised that you are misrepresenting the facts and figures. do you know about the life of prophet Muhammad peace be upon him?? No you don't know that's why you called him barbarian. go and look what was happened to Muhammad in the valley of Taif when he went there and invite the disbelievers of that valley to come on the right path and obey the command of ALLAH only.. there is no GOD but ALLAH. what they did with MUHAMMAD??? You are unaware from that fact. they starts stoning him. and at that time angel came to prophet Muhammad peace be upon and said O MUHAMMAD ALLAH is saying just raised your hands i will destruct all them you know what he replied he said no i am mercy for man kind. people of thereafter will accept Islam and you said he was a barbarian. let me inform you from the hadith (saying of Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him).
1) once a person came to the prophet and asked O PROPHET me a master advise which will enable me to manage all the affair of my life the Prophet Muhammad Replied: Don't be angry... now you tell me from where you can proof that he is a barbarian.
2) according to another hadith prophet Muhammad said that don't wish to confront your enemy always ask for peace from GOD.

Now how he is a barbarian?

the second reply to your quranic verses which you copy and paste. these all websites are anti-Islamic and that's there campaign to write against Islam dear brother you are only misrepresenting the facts and figures you did not know any thing about quran. the verses which you have write are incomplete you know why because you just take from Google the verses of your own interest. you are unaware from the facts behind these verses must read before and after verses also. these verses revealed to get escape from the disbelievers. if they not allow you to live in peace then you can start defensive strategy. here i am giving you example what will be your response if i attacks on you? if i attempt of murdering you will you allow me to do that? will to remain silence?? no you must be start to make your self safe. but you just pick up the verses with out knowledge. the real example in available in the history go and look what crusaders did in the pas to JEWS and MUSLIMS. they slaughtered around 5000 Jews and 30000 Muslims to get control over Jerusalem. now if you go and look for Reconciliation Walk so you will found that Christ apology for what crusaders did in the past for the name of Christianity. which means they were wrong that's why they make apology. the same situation was when salah ud din ayubi recapture the Jerusalem he forgives all the christian prisoners.

QURAN says in (41:34) that if you deal with your enemy positively and return good for evil (enemy) he will become your closest friend.

now tell me why you did not pick up verses like this. peaceful and loving for mankind. this is now the perception if European do something that's become defense and if Muslims do the same they declares as terrorists. My brother do read quran properly with English translation then you will understand about Islam. stoning to child is also mention in bible so then i should start calling christian oppressors....??? in which religion you can give punishment to child? until unless he does not reach to the age of adultery.

and i am shocked and feels funny too that you are representing facts about rape murders and so many violation these are baseless and self generated facts and figures. in Islam if some one is committed adultery before marriage he gets stoned and if some one do rape his only punishment is Death. so brother kindly make your self aware about facts and law of Islam. don't be fire an arrow without target.
bananaedmonkey

Con

I will now begin my rebuttals

"ISLAM a religion of peace: where our greeting start with Assalam u alaikum (English: peace be on you)"

That is a cultural aspect, not a religious aspect.

"today people says that Islam is a religion of terror and Muslims are the terrorists. I am asking that how you can judge a whole religion by the actions of few people or a group of people"

Because the terrorism proves that Islam can be interpreted violently.

"why we forgets about 1st world war who started 1st world war ? who started the second world war? who threw atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? who killed hundred and thousands of Muslims in Iraq? who are killing hundred and thousands of people in Palestine? who killed thousands of people in Afghanistan? who killed hundreds of people in Pakistan? which country is doing UN justice to be the super power of the world? in these all questions you will not found any single Muslim person or any Muslim country."

Well the first few questions are irrelevant since the Muslim countries were not majorly involved.

" who killed hundred and thousands of Muslims in Iraq? who are killing hundred and thousands of people in Palestine? who killed thousands of people in Afghanistan? who killed hundreds of people in Pakistan?"

The USA did, but that doesn't mean that the Muslims were not Barbaric, or war-like. You also say that like they didn't fight back. Americans got killed too.

"which country is doing UN justice to be the super power of the world?"
The USA, but once again that doesn't mean that the Muslims were not Barbaric.

"in these all questions you will not found any single Muslim person or any Muslim country."

If I applied your logic elsewhere:
Cannibals in Africa were not involved in the crusades therefore they are peaceful.
The poor, poor, Nazis were killed in the thousands by The USA therefore The Nazis where peaceful.

"the example of Libya and Syria is in front of us. Muslims lands are invaded. Muslim children s became orphans what is fault of children s?"
THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!! No. This is an appeal to emotion.

" Islam condemn to kill Female, child, old age people, sick people, weak people, people without guns, poor people, disable people which means Islam is against terrorism. our beloved PROPHET mentioned in his hadith ( if you want to be a real muslim you will make people safe). islam does not allow terrorism islam does not tell us about discrimination. islam does not allow us to become cruel towards animals. islam does not permit us to hurt others. this is our believe as a mulims that if we hurt someone without reason then we will answerable to our ALLAH (the creator of entire universe) on the day of judgement. Islam does not permit us to killed children s and women in battle"

WOW, that is Awesome! I was wrong. I cant wait to see the citation in the Quran for that. You do have a citation right?

" but the fact is that no a days no one want to agree with truth because every one know who is the real terrorist who are violating the rules. people who are talking about to condemn attacks in Paris why they are silent on the destruction of Syria, aqsa mosque, Palestine, Iraq, Libya, Egypt.. all Muslims countries are under fire are under attacks their land are invaded and still people calls Muslims terrorist and Islam a religion of terrorism. no no no i condemn that Islam is terrorism support religion....ISLAM IS RELIGION OF PEACE."

let me show you how bad that logic is.

But the fact is that now a days no one wants to agree with the truth because everyone know who the real terrorist who are violating the rules. People who are talking about to condemn attacks on London while they are silent about the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki... all the Nazi countries are under fire are under attacks their land are invaded and still people calls The Nazis evil and Nazism an evil ideology. no no no I condemn that Nazis is a evil supporting ideology.... THE NAZIS ARE A IDEOLOGY OF PEACE

I am sorry for the grammatical errors but they are purposeful as I was trying to change as little as I could.

I believe I have destroyed every word of my opponents argument and will now conclude my rebuttals.
Debate Round No. 2
farazkhattak

Pro

Islam is a religion of peace in the fullest sense of the word. The Quran calls its way ""The ways of peace"" [Quran: 5:16] It describes reconciliation as the best policy [Quran: 4:128], and states that God abhors any disturbance of peace [Quran: 2:205]
The root word of Islam is 'Silm', which means peace. So the spirit of Islam is the spirit of peace. The first verse of the Quran breathes the spirit of peace; it reads: "In the name of God, the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate."

This verse is repeated in the Quran no less than 114 times. It shows the great importance Islam attaches to such values as Mercy and Compassion. One of God's names, according to the Quran, is As-Salaam, which means Peace. Moreover, the Quran states that the Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam (may Allaah exalt his mention) was sent to the world as a mercy to mankind. [Quran: 21:107]
A perusal of the Quran shows that most verses of the Quran (and also the Hadeeth) are based on peace and kindness, either directly or indirectly. The ideal society, according to the Quran is Dar As-Salaam, that is, the house of peace [Quran: 10:25]

The Quran presents the universe as a model, which is characterised by harmony and peace [Quran: 36:40] When God created heaven and earth, He so ordered things that each part might perform its function peacefully without clashing with any other. The Quran tells us that "It is not allowable [i.e., possible] for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming." [Quran: 36:40] For billions of years, therefore, the entire universe has been fulfilling its function in total harmony with His divine plan.

According to Islam, peace is not simply an absence of war. Peace opens doors to all kinds of opportunities which are present in any given situation. It is only in a peaceful situation that planned activities are possible. It is for this reason that the Quran says: ""And settlement is best"" [Quran: 4:128] Similarly, Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam has observed: "God grants to gentleness (Rifq) what He does not grant to violence ('Unf). [Abu Daawood]

According to Islam, peace is the rule and war is only an exception. Even in defensive war we have to analyse its result; if the result is doubtful, Muslims should avoid war. Stray acts of aggression are not enough for Muslims to rush into war. They have to assess the whole situation and adopt a policy of avoidance when war is not certain to achieve a positive result.

In actual fact, the mission of all the Prophets from Aadam (Adam) to 'Eesaa (Jesus), may Allaah exalt their mention, was one and the same - of establishing the ideology of monotheism in the world, so that man might worship the One God alone. As we know, there came a large number of Prophets in ancient times but the message of monotheism remained at the initial stage; it could not culminate in revolution.

In ancient times, the system of monarchy was entrenched throughout the world. The kings, in order to secure their political interests, adopted the course of religious persecution. These kings suppressed all religious movements that were different from the state religion. They would nip all 'apostasy' in the bud since they saw religion as a matter of affirming one's loyalty to the state. If a person adhered to a religion other than the state religion, he was regarded as a rebel.

That is why in ancient times, prophetic movements could go no further than the state of Da'wah, or invitation to Islam. No sooner would a movement based on monotheism arise than the coercive political system would be activated to pull it out by its roots. The reason for the absence of any historical record of Prophets (besides the Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) in antiquity is traceable to the intense opposition of these coercive political systems.

From Hadith and Sunnah

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Every believer who consoles his brother in distress will be dressed by God in an apparel of honor on the Day of Resurrection." Fiqh-us-Sunnah:V4N80a

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "If anyone transgresses and receives punishment in this world, God is too just to repeat the punishment of His servant in the next. And if anyone transgresses and God conceals it and forgives him, He is too generous to go back upon a thing He has forgiven." Al-Tirmidhi:1023

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Do you know who will go first on the Day of Resurrection to the shade of God"Those who when given what is right accept it, when asked for something give freely and who judge in favor of others as they do for themselves." Al-Tirmidhi:1042

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "The best charity is that given to a relative who does not like you." Fiqh-us-Sunnah:V3N100

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "A man has sinned enough if he neglects to feed those in need." Fiqh-us-Sunnah:V3N100

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Religion is very easy, and whoever overburdens himself in his religion will not be able to continue in that way. So you should not be extremists, but try to be near to perfection and receive the good tidings that you will be rewarded." Bukhari:V1N38

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "O God, grant me life as a poor man, cause me to die as a poor man and resurrect me in the company of the poor.." His wife asked him why he said that, and he replied: "Because (the poor) will enter Paradise (before) the rich. Do not turn away a poor man"even if all you can give is half a date. If you love the poor and bring them near you..God will bring you near Him on the Day of Resurrection." Al-Tirmidhi:1376

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was asked what type of earning was best, and he replied: "A man"s work with his hands and every (lawful) business transaction." Al-Tirmidhi:846

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "On the Day of Resurrection I will intercede and say, "O my Lord! Admit into Paradise (even) those who have faith equal to a mustard seed in their hearts.'" Bukhari:V9N600

A funeral procession once passed in front of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and he stood up out of respect. When he was told the person in the coffin was Jewish and not Muslim, he said: "Was it not a living (soul)?" Bukhari:V2N399

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) once saw the corpse of a woman who had been killed in a military action, and he disapproved of it and forbade the killing of women and children.Abu Bakr as-Siddiq, a companion of the Prophet Muhammad and his successor as head of the Muslim community, advised one of his military commanders: "Do not kill women or children or an aged, infirm person. Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees. Do not destroy an inhabited place." Al-Muwatta:V21N9-10

When asked what the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) did while in his house, his wife Ayesha relied: "He used to keep busy serving and helping members of the household."Anas bin Malik related that: "(Even the humblest) maid servant of Madinah would take the Prophet"s hand and take him to any place (for the redress of her grievances)." Riyadh-us-Salaheen:605-606

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "God has forbidden you to be undutiful to your mothers, to withhold (what you should give) or demand (what you do not deserve), or to bury your daughters alive (a pre-Islamic practice)." Bukhari:8:6

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "The learned are heirs of the prophets, and the prophets do not leave any inheritance in the form of (monetary wealth), but they do leave knowledge as their legacy. A person who acquires knowledge, acquires his full share (of this legacy)." Riyadh-us-Salaheen:1388

This is enough information with citations to tell my opponents that he and his self created ideology is totaly baseless i am ending my debate with islam is peaceful religion..
bananaedmonkey

Con

Rebuttals round 2

"I welcome you in this debate."
Thanks

" I am very surprised that you called Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him a barbarian. for you kind of information he is the mercy to the all mankind. if you go through the history and read about the life of prophet peace be upon him so you will find out how merciful he was to the mankind not only to humans but for animals also."

so raping 9 year old, starting wars, and starting a campaign of anihlation against the Jews is merciful. alrightythen

"I am so surprised that you are misrepresenting the facts and figures. do you know about the life of prophet Muhammad peace be upon him?? No you don't know that's why you called him barbarian"

I don't know him. But the people who did see him wrote down what he did in books and in those books he is a rapist.

"go and look what was happened to Muhammad in the valley of Taif when he went there and invite the disbelievers of that valley to come on the right path and obey the command of ALLAH only.. there is no GOD but ALLAH."

Then he killed, raped, and enslaved all of them who didn't obey..... merciful indeed.
"You are unaware from that fact. they starts stoning him. and at that time angel came to prophet Muhammad peace be upon and said O MUHAMMAD ALLAH is saying just raised your hands I will destruct all them you know what he replied he said no I am mercy for man kind. people of thereafter will accept Islam"

Angels are cool. I imagine that you have a great historical citation for that one. Oh? Oh you don't..... ok then.

"and you said he was a barbarian"
Yes, yes I did.

" let me inform you from the hadith (saying of Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him).
1) once a person came to the prophet and asked O PROPHET me a master advise which will enable me to manage all the affair of my life the Prophet Muhammad Replied: Don't be angry... now you tell me from where you can proof that he is a barbarian.
2) according to another hadith prophet Muhammad said that don't wish to confront your enemy always ask for peace from GOD."

1) I have citations, that's where I get the proof that he was barbaric.
2) Then when GOD doesn't answer, what then? War on everyone?

"Now how he is a barbarian?"
I consider raping children, slavery, and genocide barbaric actions.

"the second reply to your quranic verses which you copy and paste. these all websites are anti-Islamic and that's there campaign to write against Islam dear brother you are only misrepresenting the facts and figures you did not know any thing about quran. "

Actually I do know that those quotes where from the Quran. And please tell me HOW I am misrepresenting facts and figures.

" the verses which you have write are incomplete you know why because you just take from Google the verses of your own interest."
Then prove how the meaning changes based on the context. "Go out there and kill all the Jews" really does not change in any context.

"you are unaware from the facts behind these verses must read before and after verses also. these verses revealed to get escape from the disbelievers"
What? I don't understand the sentence. I'm sorry I really can't.

". if they not allow you to live in peace then you can start defensive strategy. here I am giving you example what will be your response if I attacks on you? if I attempt of murdering you will you allow me to do that? will to remain silence?? no you must be start to make your self safe. but you just pick up the verses with out knowledge."

I don't need this divine knowledge to read "Go out and kill all the non-believers" Also if someone attacks me I do defend myself. That's why the USA attack the Muslim countries after 9/11

"the real example in available in the history go and look what crusaders did in the pas to JEWS and MUSLIMS. they slaughtered around 5000 Jews and 30000 Muslims to get control over Jerusalem. now if you go and look for Reconciliation Walk so you will found that Christ apology for what crusaders did in the past for the name of Christianity. which means they were wrong that's why they make apology. the same situation was when salah ud din ayubi recapture the Jerusalem he forgives all the Christian prisoners."
Therefore.....

"QURAN says in (41:34) that if you deal with your enemy positively and return good for evil (enemy) he will become your closest friend."

The Quran is a lot like the bible in that it has many contradictory statements to appease all. In fact, literally the quote before the one above calls Muslims superior.

Quran (41:33) "And who is better in speech than one who invites to Allah and does righteousness and says, "Indeed, I am of the Muslims."

"now tell me why you did not pick up verses like this."
Because I'm arguing for the other side.

"stoning to child is also mention in bible so then I should start calling Christian oppressors....???"
Yes.

" in which religion you can give punishment to child? until unless he does not reach to the age of adultery."
any religion for the first part. second sentence?

OK the unless cancels out the not, I think.
"until he does reach the age of adultery"
I don't see how that is relevant

"and I am shocked and feels funny too that you are representing facts about rape murders and so many violation these are baseless and self generated facts and figures. "
but they are not self generated because I HAVE A CITATION!!!

"in Islam if some one is committed adultery before marriage he gets stoned and if some one do rape his only punishment is Death"
yea that is barbaric

". so brother kindly make your self aware about facts and law of Islam. "
another sentence that says I'm ignorant, you do realize that is ad hominem.

" don't be fire an arrow without target."
will do

Ending notes (don't factor these in voting, aside form the fist one)
1. My opponent does not have English as his first language, please put down "tied" for grammar. I am just asking you to show respect for the Bilingual.
2. I have nothing against Muslims. Just like The Bible, The Quran can be interpreted 1000 different ways, and people like my opponent are good people and thus interpret the Quran in a good way.
Debate Round No. 3
9 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 9 records.
Posted by bballcrook21 1 year ago
bballcrook21
Agreed with before: tied
Agreed with after: tied
Who had better conduct: tied
Who had better spelling and grammar: Con
Who made more convincing arguments: Con
Who used the most reliable sources: Tied

In terms of conduct, both were equally cordial.
Generally I would have overlooked this, but for the entirety of the debate, Pro failed to capitalize a single letter at the start of the sentence.
Firstly, Con treated the debate as an actual debate, while Pro felt insulted at the iteration of any ideas from Con.
Pro also referred to Christianity, which has no place in this debate whatsoever, as there is no comparison to be made. It's practically like stating "this is bad, but at least it's not as bad as this"

"in Islam if some one is committed adultery before marriage he gets stoned and if some one do rape his only punishment is Death" - He practically killed his own argument with this statement. He states, that as reaffirmed by Islam, a man or woman who commits adultery is to be stoned, which isn't necessarily a peaceful endeavor, and that a man who commits rape is to be killed, which is quite self- explanatory.

Additionally, Con made quite a lot of references to the Quran, and used unbiased sources that stated explicit verses from start to finish.

Con also properly identified each of his arguments and analyzed what he was stating, in order to further deduce his own claim, that Islam is in fact a religion of war, not one of peace.

Pro's main argument was that people interpret the Quran wrong, but he failed to state that there is one explicit interpretation of the Quran. Con sufficiently stated that the mere existence of individuals and their sheer number, in relation to them representing Islam, is proof enough that an implicit, and maybe even explicit, violent interpretation of Islam is feasible.
Posted by bananaedmonkey 1 year ago
bananaedmonkey
@World skeptic
if my opponent is unable to respond to my round 3 argument then I don't respond to his, it keeps things fair.
Posted by farazkhattak 1 year ago
farazkhattak
@worldskeptic: misrepresenting means here to pick up something according your own wish and don't know about the explanation....the cons must be read the verses before and after that verses that why these verses revealed. If I picked up verses of my choice from any holy book and don't aware about the explanation so it will not work.... Hope you will understand...
Posted by WorldSkeptic 1 year ago
WorldSkeptic
@farazkhattak Ah, you did a WAY better job in the third round, but you seldom gave citations in the first 2 rounds. You didn't actually prove that Con's verses were half-verses. Even though you cite the SOURCE, when you actually check the verses, it's kind-of to very different from what you actually say it says (at least in the Qur'an). I cannot jump to conclusions on your Hadith citations, because I am not as instructed in the Hadith as I am in the Qur'an, but they seem legit, and they were a strong point in your conclusion. Don't bless me, I neither believe nor want any of that, and "mercy" kind of sounds like I am in need of such a thing.

Both of you had their good and bad aspects.

@bananaedmonkey You did a terrific job at dismantling the arguments @farazkhattak gave before the last round, but for some reason you formatted it so, that you did not respond to any of what he said in the last round, which definitely didn't help you. Besides that, I'd say you clearly won the first two rounds.

Overall, very well done, definitely makes the reader consider a lot of things. That last round is what really gave Pro a chance, and so it is a hard choice.
Posted by bananaedmonkey 1 year ago
bananaedmonkey
@WorldSkeptic I could have chosen worse examples of Mohammad... I had him down for raping a nine-year-old, I dont think it gets worse then that

@farazkhattak You should have quoted the Quran like you did in the third round, It makes things much harder for me. Also when you say i am misinterpreting the Quran, you have to show how i am with at least one example. I also commend you on not using the "no true Scotsman fallacy" like other Christians and Muslims. You did catch me a little off guard as I was used to "but they arn't TRUE mulisms/christains" while you used logic. At the end of my third round debate I asked the voters to vote "tied" for grammar because i dont want to win because my opponent was bilingual .
Posted by farazkhattak 1 year ago
farazkhattak
@worldskeptic: i am not saying any thing from my self i have studied all that material in different books. And the verses which cons present are half verses he did not know why these verses have been revealed in quran. There are lots of citation i have added in my 3rd round go and check for that...GOD bless you with his blessings and mercy upon you.
Posted by WorldSkeptic 1 year ago
WorldSkeptic
Pro deviates towards WWI and the UN to prove Islam is peaceful? Con is absolutely right when he applies that logic to Nazis. I think Con could have given way better examples of Mohammad and violent verses, but he is essentially right. Mohammad TOOK OVER the whole Arabian Peninsula through jihad, and he got rid of any clan or group of people that did not convert. Pro refutes this by giving examples of him saying "be peaceful". That, if anything, proves hypocrisy. He is also using arguments from authority (from the hadith) to say he is right, which is a logical fallacy.

Pro just gives arguments from what he THINKS, rather than what is fact. He provides almost no citations or official documents, instead arguing from his own perspective, despite contrary evidence. When Con provides verses, Pro's only response is that he doesn't know anything (Pro) and that these quotes are from anti-Islamic websites that misrepresent the Qur'an. He doesn't even acknowledge that these are ACTUAL quotes form the Qur'an.
Posted by bananaedmonkey 1 year ago
bananaedmonkey
Is round 3 going to be conclusions or second round rebuttals? the world may never know.
Posted by canis 1 year ago
canis
The simple answer is..No...The simple argument is reality....
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