it isnt logical to believe the following
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My opponent believes it is illogical for someone to believe there is either a good or bad nut in the nutshell before opening it. I think he is right to some degree as it can be illogical, however I will atempt to challenge his view and try to prove it can be logical to think this.
There are two forms of logic, they are emotional and logical (or masculine and feminine)
What is logic? I believe it is a way of thinking to get to a particular goal
It is logical when the goal achieved is high, and illogical when the goal achieved is low
Women achieve their high goal by following their feelings - this is logical for them but illogical for men. This means they think 'it is this way OR that way'
The opposite of emotion is basically thinking - it is logical for men to do this to achieve their high goal. This means they think 'it is this way AND that way' or in other words it is logical for men to think they can DO anything.
Although it would be illogical for me to think there is either a good or bad nut inside a closed nutshell (because I have a masculine goal) it is logical for a woman to think 'a good/bad nut is inside simply because other nutshells contain nuts'
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reason is the opposite of logic, logic is true
logical=dont eat poisonous things to stay healthy=right
there is no logic in fantasy, i cant die in a dream as i can only die if i am alive
Theres is only 1 true positive emotion, its joy
but i agree mental emotion is an effect of thinking mostly
does thought determine what is actually logical? if you pick up a mushroom and eat it, does it matter what you think is going to happen if the mushroom is poisonous?
there is either a good or bad nut inside the nutshell, there is no other option, why is it more logical to believe one over the other?
My opponent asks "does thought determine what is actually logical? if you pick up a mushroom and eat it, does it matter what you think is going to happen if the mushroom is poisonous?"
logical = good reasoning = selfish + selfless e.g. stay alive and well = happiness
Joy/happiness = high goal
I think we agree on those but correct me if I'm wrong. It does matter if you think a mushroom is poisonous even after you have eaten it because you can then warn someone else to avoid eating the same type of mushroom, or mushrooms in that area
Belief = means to achieve a goal
It is logical for a hetrosexual man to believe/think 'if I can, someone else can' or think he has ability because he can only be happy by making someone else happy since two people can't be happy for the exact same reason at the same time.
It is illogical for a hetrosexual woman to believe/think 'if I can, someone else can' or think she lacks ability because this will not make her feel special/happy, so it is logical for her to have an emotional goal i.e. believe/think something else e.g. 'if I can't, someone else can'.
There are two ways of thinking, they are 'this way or that way' and 'this way and that way'. Either way of thinking can be logical.
You believe "it is not logical for someone to believe there is a good or bad nut in the nutshell before opening it". However when a woman's life depends on this belief it is logical for her to believe this, as it would help her to learn by trial and error, and live = high goal.
Since the nut has grown somewhere else I do not know whether or not it just looks the same on the outside as a nut I've seen before. Therefore I might believe "there is a high probability of there being a nut inside" instead of assuming there definately is. I wouldn't want to waste vital energy unless there was a good enough chance.
Either of these ways of thinking can be logical.
It is logical to believe "there is a good nut, or a bad nut in the nutshell before opening it" because good + bad are subjective qualities. A person must decide for their self whether a nut is good or bad before they see, smell, touch or taste it.
your thoughts dosnt matter to the effect of you eating the mushroom, as in you can not alter the mushroom into healthy for eksample or change the effect of eating it by thought, the poisonous mushroom is the cause of the effect not your thoughts
belief=achieve a false goal
belief is illogical, not knowledge, but false
i have no beliefs
do you know that i am wearing a hat right as you read this?
Once you have eaten a mushroom it is still worth asking yourself whether it might be poisonous because you can still bring swallowed food up again to the mouth by thinking about it i.e. regurgitate. Also, you may want to warn others if you have doubts, so it is worth thinking about even after swallowing a strange mushroom.
There are circumstances where it is logical to eat an apple you would normally consider to be "bad" e.g. when eating solely to survive. Good and bad are subjective terms - determined by your point of view.
I sincerely doubt you have no beliefs. Nobody knows everything. Do you know if there is an afterlife or not?
Belief = logical. When a woman believes/thinks 'if I can't, someone else can' to achieve a high goal, she can't know if someone else can do what she can't unlike a man who knows that someone else can do what he can.
Believing something when you don't know might not be necessary for you, but I don't think you can prove belief is unnecessary (illogical) for everyone.
And no, I don't know if you are wearing a hat at this time. Maybe you can tell me what this proves
so your point of view determine that drinking battery acid when you try to survive keeps you healthy?
know is everything, belief only applies when i dont know so by default i know things
the opposite is possible so any belief is illogical, as it could be false, therfore is not true, and illogical is not real
I'm confused. Your question about the mushroom was:
"if you pick up a mushroom and eat it, does it matter what you think is going to happen if the mushroom is poisonous?"
Why do you think I'm changing the scenerio? Surely I would know if I ate a mushroom after picking it up and eating it.
No-one can be 100% sure there will be a nut inside without opening the shell. It is logical for a woman to believe there will be either a bad nut or a good nut inside based on experience, and it's logical for a man to believe there is a high probability of there being a nut inside. His belief will tell him what is a good or bad nut based on his circumstances. It is natural to consider possibilities based on expectations.
Drinking battery acid is not good for you. I know this not from learning by trial and error but by just following warnings given by other people and paying particular attention to those I can trust most.
Okay so if you don't believe in anything because you only choose to know things, how can you make decisions? If you don't think about about the probability of what is inside, there would be no reason to open the nutshell to find out what is inside. If you are curious you must want to find something and will believe there is a chance of finding it.
Belief = necessary to achieve a high goal
It is thus logical to have a belief
Therefore it is logical to believe things such as "there is a good nut, or a bad nut in the nutshell before opening it"
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