The Instigator
jdizzle
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The Contender
Koopin
Con (against)
Winning
61 Points

jam and jelly are the same thing

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/29/2010 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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jdizzle

Pro

I will allow my opponent to present the first argument, and I will answer with a rebuttal and an argument of my own.
Koopin

Con

Definitions:

JAM: To press, squeeze, or wedge tightly between bodies or surfaces, so that motion or extrication is made difficult or impossible. [1]

Jelly: A food preparation of a soft, elastic consistency due to the presence of gelatin [2]

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Argument:

It is obvious that the two are not the same. Jelly is a food and jam is when you wedge tightly.

The resolution has been negated.

Thank you.

Source:
(1). http://dictionary.reference.com...
(2). http://dictionary.reference.com...
Debate Round No. 1
jdizzle

Pro

Excuse me, but when I said jam, I did not say TO jam (as a verb), I said jam, as in the noun Jam.

The NOUN jam is defined by Wikipedia.org as: Properly, the term jam refers to a product made with whole fruit, cut into pieces or crushed. The fruit is heated with water and sugar to activate the pectin in the fruit. The mixture is then put into containers. (http://en.wikipedia.org...)

Jam is defined by Wikipedia.org as: In North America, jelly is a clear fruit spread consisting of set, sweetened fruit (or vegetable) juice. (http://en.wikipedia.org...)

Thank you con for accepting this argument, and I eagerly await your response.
Koopin

Con

You claimed Jam, you did not say what kind of Jam. It may or may not be a verb. You failed to give a definition, therefore we must use the definition that I provided.

Also, I used Dictionary.com. A much more reliable source than Wikipedia.

I look forward to your actual argument. Thank you.
Debate Round No. 2
jdizzle

Pro

Any person with decent grammar schooling would know that I was referring to the noun Jam. This is because it is impossible to compare a noun with a verb.

You can't say: Water and flow are the same things.

Because water is a noun, and flow is a verb.

You can say: Horse and stallion are the same things.

Because horse is a noun, as well as stallion.

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Dictionary.com defines the NOUN jam as: A preserve of whole fruit, slightly crushed, boiled with sugar: strawberry jam. (http://dictionary.reference.com...)

So I have used Dictionary.com instead of Wikipedia.org as you have wished, and I have still proven my point.

I eagerly await your response, con.
Koopin

Con

You are right, but you have still failed to prove your point, and we only have one round left. I look forward to your response.
Debate Round No. 3
jdizzle

Pro

How have I not proven my point? Lets look at the definitions again:

Jelly: Fruit... boiled down with sugar and used as a sweet spread for bread and toast, as a filling for cakes or doughnuts, etc. (http://dictionary.reference.com...)

Jam: A preserve of... fruit, boiled with sugar: strawberry jam. (http://dictionary.reference.com...)

Notice that each definition says the exact same thing! So I have proven that my opponents definition of jam is not correct, and I have just proven that jam and jelly are identical.

Thank you con, and I eagerly await your response.

Vote pro!
Koopin

Con

Opening Statement:

I thank my opponent for his argument. I will be using his own source for the definition, without semantics. I usually do not like to use Wikipedia as a source, seeing as to it being unreliable, but since my opponent wants to use it then let it be. In order to win this, I must prove that Jelly and Jam is not the same thing.
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DEFINITIONS:
Jam: Jam contains both fruit juice and pieces of the fruit's (or vegetable's) flesh,however some cookbooks define jam as cooked and gelled fruit (or vegetable) purees.Properly, the term jam refers to a product made with whole fruit, cut into pieces or crushed. The fruit is heated with water and sugar to activate the pectin in the fruit. The mixture is then put into containers. The following extract from a US cookbook describes the process.

Jelly: In North America, jelly is a clear fruit spread consisting of set, sweetened fruit (or vegetable) juice. Jelly is clear and sparkling and has a fresh flavor of the fruit from which it is made. It is tender enough to quiver when moved, but holds angles when cut.
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ARGUMENT:
Who does not like Jelly? It is sweet, it is smooth, and it is perfect to put on toasts! Each year, the Jelly industries make thousands of dollars a year selling it. Many people buy it without even reading the label. But a very small percent of the population actually take time to look at the containers to see if it is Jelly, a smooth paste of fruit, of if it is Jam, fruit juice with pieces of fruit. Some people like eating there toast with without having to worry about getting a huge glob of fruit stuck in their throat. Yet, some people live life on the edge, knowing every bite of toast could be there last.

There are also different textures and nutritional values in Jelly and Jam. Here is an article from wisegeek.com

"The primary difference between jam and jelly involves the contents. Jam is made from whole fruit, meaning every edible part of the fruit is involved, while jelly is made from fruit juices. Jam is a thick, chunky spread, while jelly is a thinner, more evenly-textured spread. Jams may include things like seeds and pieces of fruit skin which create a very distinctive texture, setting them apart from jellies. Because jam includes whole fruit, it tends to have more of the vitamins and minerals found in the parent fruit, and it is also usually only made with one type of fruit, whereas jellies may involve a blend of juices.
There is also a difference between jam and jelly in terms of preparation methods. Jam is made by cooking fruit with sugar and water until the fruit starts to soften and break up, releasing its natural pectin. Pectin is the substance which makes jam firm up into a gelatinous solid. Once the fruit is softened, the jam can be canned and sealed, with some cooks processing their jam to make the texture more uniform.
Jelly can be made with fruit juice, or with liquid leftover from making jam. Because whole fruit is not involved, pectin must be added to jelly to ensure that it firms. Jellies tend to be a bit sweeter than jams, because they do not have the natural tartness of whole fruit, with sugar acting as a preservative in both cases. Unlike jelly, jam does not need added pectin, illustrating a major difference between jam and jelly."

My opponent is getting the words "similar" and "Same" confused. But anyone who reads the definition of the foods "Jelly" and "Jam" could easily see that they are similar, and not the same like my opponent claims. That is like saying that Kool-aid and Milk are the same thing, since they are both liquid, smooth, and tasty.
I have included in my sources a picture of Jam [2] and a picture of Jelly [3] so you can see the deference.
I would like to apologize for mixing the definitions. In the future, I encourage you to give definitions to what you are talking about. For example, Jelly is defined in the dictionary as ‘a plastic sandal or shoe.' That my friend, is a noun.
Thank you for the entertaining debate my friend.

Sources:
(1).http://www.wisegeek.com...
(2)http://www.flickr.com...
(3)http://www.flyoverpeople.net...
(4)http://en.wikipedia.org...
(5)http://en.wikipedia.org...
(6)http://dictionary.reference.com...
(7)http://dictionary.reference.com...
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by debaterbayne1 6 years ago
debaterbayne1
you both are pretty good but i have to say con is right.
Posted by Mr_Jack_Nixon 6 years ago
Mr_Jack_Nixon
My thoughts.

ROUND 1:

So it seems jdizzle will win, as the whole verb thing is gone.

ROUND 2:

Further affirms my theory that jdizzle will win.

ROUND 3:

jdizzle made his point. He wins.

ROUND 4:

Holy sh**!!! Koopin goes for the throat.... debate to Koopin all the way.
Posted by tBoonePickens 6 years ago
tBoonePickens
How about marmalade?
Posted by Rockylightning 6 years ago
Rockylightning
XD wow koopin can't do a serious debate!
Posted by frenchmoosetwo 6 years ago
frenchmoosetwo
koopin lied about all of it , ALL LIES
Posted by nickthengineer 6 years ago
nickthengineer
Koopin you are a turd.

Try playing semantics with that. I dare ya ;)
Posted by Digamma 6 years ago
Digamma
Umm...has anyone noticed that Pro gives Con a winning argument at the beginning of round 2? He clearly defines jam as a fruit spread made using the whole fruit, whereas jelly is made using the juice of a fruit. Having made both jelly and jam, I can definitively say that they are NOT the same thing. Jam is made using the whole fruit (almost always a berry) and contains the seeds, if there are any. Jelly is made by straining out everything except for the juice and mixing that juice with gelatin and sugar.
Posted by Koopin 6 years ago
Koopin
Nvm, you just have one round. :)
Posted by Koopin 6 years ago
Koopin
Jdizzle, I will post tomorrow or the next day. I want to make a huge argument out of this, Okay?
Posted by Koopin 6 years ago
Koopin
Semantics? I don't know what you are talking about...
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