The Instigator
kevin1110
Pro (for)
Losing
6 Points
The Contender
Cody_Franklin
Con (against)
Winning
37 Points

marijuana should not be legalized

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Cody_Franklin
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/3/2010 Category: Health
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (3)
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kevin1110

Pro

Marijuana is an addictive drug that people know very little about. Many people try to legalize marijuana. However, legalizing marijuana is an absorb idea. This will cause Drug abuse and addiction; there are other drugs that help patient. Legalizing marijuana may increase problems and crimes.
1. drug abuse and an addiction are very dangerous. A lot of people use marijuana legally because they think that's cool. Marijuana can't be legalized because it turns good people to bad people. Marijuana may impaired perception, dimished short –term memory, and lost of concentration and coordination, impaired judgment, increase risk accidents, loss of motivation, dimished inhibitions, increased heart rate, anxiety panic attacks, and paranoia hallucinations, damage to the respiratory, reproductive, and immune system, increased risk of cancer, psychological dependency will happen to human body. This has to be illegal because students who are doing this may decrease learning capabilities. They may hard time limiting their use, they may need more of the drugs to get the same effect. The drug can become the most important aspect of their lives.
Cody_Franklin

Con

I haven't done a debate in ages. I guess it's time to see if I still have what it takes.

1. Legalizing marijuana will cause drug abuse and addiction, and will increase crime.

a. This is a slippery slope fallacy. There's no logical link between legalization and an increase in abuse and addiction rates.

b. Marijuana isn't an addictive drug. [http://www.drugpolicy.org...]

c. If anything increases "abuse" of marijuana, it would be the ban placed upon it. Think back to the prohibition era. A blanket ban on alcohol resulted in underground speakeasies, organized crime (which didn't exist in that form prior to the ban), and more reckless consumption. The same effect is seen today, where younger kids (from whom alcohol is banned) engage in binge drinking and irresponsible partying; whereas, in many European countries, children are introduced to alcohol at far earlier ages, and are able to learn moderation. Allowing for the legalization of marijuana will do the same thing for moderation as the 21st Amendment did in the case of alcohol. [http://www.cato.org...]

2. Marijuana causes bad effects.

a. The government doesn't own the bodies of individuals. The concept of self-ownership shows us that no man, group of men, or well-dressed officials has a higher claim to one's body than oneself; ergo, it's an individual's decision as to whether he or she smokes marijuana.

b. Being angry also causes impaired judgment, heart problems, and increased risks of irrational behavior.

c. If a person commits a crime while under the influence of marijuana, punish him for committing the crime - not for the substance he consumed prior to committing that crime.

d. All drugs have risks; even those that are prescribed by doctors [http://articles.latimes.com...].

-BOTTOM LINE-

Pro's only justification for a ban on marijuana is unjustified horror stories about increases in crime and drug abuse. He says that marijuana possesses many harmful side effects, despite the fact that both prescription drugs and other hazardous substances (alcohol and tobacco) have the same issues. Pro's case is the same regurgitated sort of paternalism we've heard since the legalization debate first began.

Let's be realistic, here. Despite the harmful possibilities, despite the exaggerations, and despite the stigma of being a "pothead", I say we stick to reason, and let individuals assess the risk for themselves.
Debate Round No. 1
kevin1110

Pro

I know many researcher is disagreeing the marijuana should be legalized.http://query.nytimes.com.... Besides addictive drug about marijuana there is alot of discouragement.
, marijuana could cause crimes because people who marijuana get high and don't know what they are doing. It could be murder or suicide and marijuana driving. People who do drug might do something that they didn't mean to do. Students or worker and school work and pregnancy. Students who do drugs get lower grades and less likely to graduate from high school. Workers have problems on the job increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers compensation claims, and the job turn over, municipal workers found that employees who smoke marijuana on or off the job reported more "withdrawal behaviors" such as leaving without permission, daydreaming ,depression, anxiety personality disturbances are problems in daily life or make a person's existing problems worse. While person is driving with short- term memory loss, will most likely to increase accidents. More behavioral problems and to perform task of visual perception, language comprehension, sustained attention, and memory more poorly than non-exposed children do. In school, these children are more likely to exhibit deficits in decision- making skills, memory, and the ability to remain attentive.
Im going back to addictive drug now. back in the past government only know about small facts about marijuana.
marijuana drug users are increasing their use. http://www.sciencedaily.com...
besides addictive drugs their is many evidence founded. when someone smokes marijuana, THC raipidly passes from the lungs into the bloodstream. which carries the chemical to organs throughout the body, including the brain.
-BOTTOM LINE-
con's has many reason to addressed. The source I used is http://www.treatment-center.com...
Cody_Franklin

Con

1. "Many researcher is disagreeing..."

a. Appeal to authority.

b. The only thing that article says is that the government is disallowing further research into the medical benefits of marijuana. It says nothing of legalization.

2. Causing crimes

a. Punish them for the crimes - not for being under the influence of a substance. If I murder someone while under the influence of alcohol, I ought to be punished for my murder - not for ingesting alcohol.

b. Anger and heartbreak can also lead to murders and suicides, and can commit acts that they otherwise wouldn't have. It's called a "crime of passion"; yet, we punish them for the crime, not the passion.

3. Bad things happen to people who smoke.

a. There's no causal link between smoking marijuana and lower academic performance. Domestic abuse or academic apathy are equally plausible. Your assertions to the contrary are just that: assertions.

b. Even if bad things were to happen, such as lower grades or being fired, that's the fault of the individual. An individual is sovereign over his own body, and has the freedom to make choices concerning that body. It's up to the individual to assess the risks and act accordingly. It isn't the government's job to protect people from themselves.

4. Marijuana use is increasing.

a. Increasing use of a drug =/= addiction (or increase in addiction) to a drug

b. That Science Daily article addresses the possible harms of smoking marijuana. It has nothing to do with the alleged addictiveness of marijuana, and the only thing it says about increase in use is that "As public attitudes toward marijuana change and legal restrictions ease in some countries, use of marijuana is increasing." That's not an argument for keeping it illegal.

c. The statement about THC passing through your body also doesn't prove that it's addictive. That proves that you're going to get high.

-BL-

Pro has dodged most of my attacks, and continues to repeat his arguments ad nauseam as if repetition will make them truer. So far, I've clearly won.
Debate Round No. 2
kevin1110

Pro

you're right but not all of them. I am not a fluently good writter, so hope you understand my grammer. "it says nothing of legalization" don't know about that.
List:
http://media.www.thespartandaily.com...
http://socialissues.wiseto.com...
http://www.radicalparenting.com...
http://www.directessays.com...

what are the acute effect of marijuana use?

Marijuana's effects begin immediately after the drug enters the brain and last from 1 to 3 hours. If marijuana is consumed in food or drink, the short-term effects begin more slowly, usually in 1/2 to 1 hour, and last longer, for as long as 4 hours. Smoking marijuana deposits several times more THC into the blood than does eating or drinking the drug.

Within a few minutes after inhaling marijuana smoke, an individual's heart begins beating more rapidly, the bronchial passages relax and become enlarged, and blood vessels in the eyes expand, making the eyes look red. The heart rate, normally 70 to 80 beats per minute, may increase by 20 to 50 beats per minute or, in some cases, even double. This effect can be greater if other drugs are taken with marijuana.

As THC enters the brain, it causes a user to feel euphoric - or "high" - by acting in the brain's reward system, areas of the brain that respond to stimuli such as food and drink as well as most drugs of abuse. THC activates the reward system in the same way that nearly all drugs of abuse do, by stimulating brain cells to release the chemical dopamine.

A marijuana user may experience pleasant sensations, colors and sounds may seem more intense, and time appears to pass very slowly. The user's mouth feels dry, and he or she may suddenly become very hungry and thirsty. His or her hands may tremble and grow cold. The euphoria passes after awhile, and then the user may feel sleepy or depressed. Occasionally, marijuana use produces anxiety, fear, distrust, or panic.

Marijuana use impairs a person's ability to form memories, recall events (see Marijuana, Memory, and the Hippocampus), and shift attention from one thing to another. THC also disrupts coordination and balance by binding to receptors in the cerebellum and basal ganglia, parts of the brain that regulate balance, posture, coordination of movement, and reaction time. Through its effects on the brain and body, marijuana intoxication can cause accidents. Studies show that approximately 6 to 11 percent of fatal accident victims test positive for THC. In many of these cases, alcohol is detected as well.

In a study conducted by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, a moderate dose of marijuana alone was shown to impair driving performance; however, the effects of even a low dose of marijuana combined with alcohol were markedly greater than for either drug alone. Driving indices measured included reaction time, visual search frequency (driver checking side streets), and the ability to perceive and/or respond to changes in the relative velocity of other vehicles.

Marijuana users who have taken high doses of the drug may experience acute toxic psychosis, which includes hallucinations, delusions, and depersonalization - a loss of the sense of personal identity, or self-recognition. Although the specific causes of these symptoms remain unknown, they appear to occur more frequently when a high dose of cannabis is consumed in food or drink rather than smoked.

Marijuana's Effects on the Brain

When marijuana is smoked, its active ingredient THC travels throughout the body, including the brain, to produce its many effects. THC attaches to sites called cannabinoid receptors on nerve cells in the brain, affecting the way those cells work. Cannabinoid receptors are abundant in parts of the brain that regulate movement, coordination, learning and memory, higher cognitive functions such as judgment, and pleasure.
Brain Region Functions by Region
Brain regions in which cannabinoid receptors are abundant:
Cerebellum Body movement coordination
Hippocampus Learning and memory
Cerebral cortex, especially cingulate, frontal, and parietal regions Higher cognitive functions
Nucleus accumbens Reward
Basal ganglia
Substantia nigra pars reticulata
Entopeduncular nucleus
Globus pallidus
Putamen
Movement control
Brain regions in which cannabinoid receptors are moderately concentrated:
Hypothalamus Body housekeeping functions (body temperature regulation, salt and water balance, reproductive function)
Amygdala Emotional response, fear
Spinal cord Peripheral sensation, including pain
Brain stem Sleep and arousal, temperature regulation, motor control
Central gray Analgesia
Nucleus of the solitary tract Visceral sensation, nausea and vomiting

How does marijuana use affect physical health?
Marijuana use has been shown to increase users' difficulty in trying to quit smoking tobacco. This was recently reported in a study comparing smoking cessation in adults who smoked both marijuana and tobacco with those who smoked only tobacco. The relationship between marijuana use and continued smoking was particularly strong in those who smoked marijuana daily at the time of the initial interview, 13 years prior to the followup interview.

A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers do. Many of the extra sick days used by the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses.

Even infrequent marijuana use can cause burning and stinging of the mouth and throat, often accompanied by a heavy cough. Someone who smokes marijuana regularly may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers do, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illnesses, a heightened risk of lung infections, and a greater tendency toward obstructed airways.

Cancer of the respiratory tract and lungs may also be promoted by marijuana smoke. A study comparing 173 cancer patients and 176 healthy individuals produced strong evidence that smoking marijuana increases the likelihood of developing cancer of the head or neck, and that the more marijuana smoked, the greater the increase. A statistical analysis of the data suggested that marijuana smoking doubled or tripled the risk of these cancers.

Marijuana has the potential to promote cancer of the lungs and other parts of the respiratory tract because it contains irritants and carcinogens. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 percent to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke. It also produces high levels of an enzyme that converts certain hydrocarbons into their carcinogenic form, levels that may accelerate the changes that ultimately produce malignant cells. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which increases the lungs' exposure to carcinogenic smoke. These facts suggest that, puff for puff, smoking marijuana may increase the risk of cancer more than smoking tobacco does.

Some adverse health effects caused by marijuana may occur because THC impairs the immune system's ability to fight off infectious diseases and cancer. In laboratory experiments that exposed animal and human cells to THC or other marijuana ingredients, the normal disease-preventing reactions of many of the key types of immune cells were inhibited. In other studies, mice exposed to THC or related substances were more likely than unexposed mice to develop bacterial infections and tumors.
By the way, besides marijuana there is other marinol that can help out other patience.
Bottom line
you're not clearly won the debate.
Cody_Franklin

Con

1. The articles

The article's filled with a bunch of scare stories. He repeatedly calls marijuana a "poison", bashes big business (specifically, the tobacco industry), and appeals to pity by assuming that all pot use will be in a smoke-filled house where the father is abusive, the mother is always high, the older sister is stealing her mother's weed and skipping school, and the younger brother is cowering in the corner while the water, gas, and electricity are shut off because smoking somehow destroying everyone's capacity to pay the bills.

Even if that were the case for EVERYONE who smoked marijuana, that doesn't justify paternalism. It's never proven that the government has a right, much less an obligation to protect people from their own bad decisions. Breakups are emotionally harmful; they can lead to self-abuse, and even suicide. Does that mean that the government should use force to keep couples together? This is as absurd a case of paternalism as keeping marijuana illegal.

b. First of all, the article claims that marijuana might be a gateway drug. One, slippery slope fallacy. Two, marijuana was partially legalized in Holland in the 1970s. The use of heroin and cocaine ("hard" drugs) declined; in 1993, the RAND Corporation did a study of states that had decriminalized vs. those that haven't. It found that "where marijuana was more available-the states that had decriminalized-hard drug abuse as measured by emergency room episodes decreased. In short, what science and actual experience tell us is that marijuana tends to substitute for the much more dangerous hard drugs like alcohol, cocaine, and heroin." [http://www.drugtext.org...]

Second of all, the article argues that "marijuana contains an ingredient that produces a euphoria that warrants its continued distinction as an illegal substance." This makes absolutely no sense. How exactly is the fact that marijuana gets you high grounds for keeping it illegal? By that same logic, we should ban sex, because it feels AMAZING, and because some people can get addicted to it (not to mention the possible "side effects": STDs).

This next claim makes me laugh. "Legalizing marijuana would send a mixed message to teenagers whose parents are able to use the authority of law to support their own opposition to its use." So, because legalizing marijuana would make some parents look bad because they told their kids "marijuana is illegal, therefore, it's bad", we shouldn't legalize it? I think a proper response would be that parents shouldn't be so prudish and paranoid about marijuana in the first place.

The rest of the article is just "marijuana is harmful". You know what I have to say about that: let individuals assess the risk.

c. This third article is the same old thing. It's addictive, it's harmful, gateway drug. I've refuted it all.

d. The final article isn't even an article. It's an essay on one of those "you were too lazy to write your paper, so buy one from us" sites. It's not even the entire paper. It's a short summary and an excerpt. That's not even credible.

2. Pro's arguments

a. Pro's first four paragraphs don't say anything except "Marijuana gets you high, and here's how". That has nothing to do with keeping it illegal.

b. The rest of my opponent's arguments are the same old "marijuana could be harmful" arguments; note, though, that his only proof is that some study said it at some point in time.

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Let me just explain why Con wins this, hands-down. Pro isn't actually debating the resolution. He's supposed to tell you that marijuana shouldn't be legalized. Here's what he tells you instead, and has been telling you for the past three rounds:

> Marijuana gets you high

> Marijuana could have harmful side effects

Essentially, he's saying this:

Marijuana is bad.
:. The government should maintain a ban on marijuana.

First off, it's clear that something being "bad" isn't a good enough reason to ban it. Simple case of "does not follow".

Secondly, smoking marijuana doesn't inherently violate anyone's rights.

Thirdly, there are other harmful substances that are already legal; it would be a huge double-standard to argue that tobacco and prescription medication (both of which can be abused) ought to be legal, while marijuana shouldn't be by virtue of the fact that it makes you feel really, really good in the process.

In short, Pro just doesn't do his job. Let's go to the points breakdown.

Conduct: Tied

S/G: Con - Obvious reasons.

Arguments: Con - Pro was arguing "marijuana is bad" rather than "marijuana should remain illegal".

Sources: Con - Con's sources not only disproved Pro's assertions, but showed that the sources that Pro did provide either didn't substantiate his claims, or were altogether irrelevant.

Overall: 6 points Con.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by needaccount 3 years ago
needaccount
i disagree when the Con says that person who commits a crime under the influence of marijuana should be punish for the crime and not for the influence. The main reason why the person committed the crime was most likely because they were under the influence therefor not thinking as they would if their mind was clear. If we legalize marijuana then there is going to be a probability that crime rates will increase, it doesn't matter if that probability is big or small, it still matters because it plays with the lives of people. Also alcohol has nothing to do with this, yes it is far worst than marijuana and unfortunately its still legal, i guess the economy benefits from its alcoholics. But it does not give marijuana a reason to become legal as well, and as i said before it might become another cause of accidents and even death. The government is not concern for the health of the consumer but for the safety of those around who might be affected, that is the main reason why tobacco is legal, besides helping the economy as well. So , would you rather please those who enjoy getting high on weed and take risk for what ever harm it could cause what so ever? or keep the law as it is? either way weed will still be consumed what ever the decision will be.
Posted by Cody_Franklin 4 years ago
Cody_Franklin
I just thought it was humorous that you gave yourself all of the points.
Posted by kevin1110 4 years ago
kevin1110
umm no. i had to fix that.
Posted by Cody_Franklin 4 years ago
Cody_Franklin
You really think you had better spelling and grammar, Kevin? :)
Posted by kevin1110 4 years ago
kevin1110
I learned alot of stuff from your debate. I hope i make less mistakes next time.
I hope i have better comeback next time. This is my first complete debate i ever did.
Posted by Cody_Franklin 4 years ago
Cody_Franklin
What?
Posted by kevin1110 4 years ago
kevin1110
somehow my opponent had fail to demonstrate properly.
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