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merit pay based on student achievement should be a significant component of K-12 teacher compensatio

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Started: 12/9/2009 Category: Education
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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W33DALLDAY

Pro

This is a PF debate please refain from rebutal speech until second round post your case and cards after thanks my cards are in my speech

My partner and I stand in affirmation that merit pay based on student achievement should be a significant component of K-12 teacher compensation.

DEFINITIONS:

Student achievement- Is a term that when applied to merit pay, has various meanings. The two most commonly known are student scores based off of a state test, and the progression of student education in schools that house students that don't normally score high.

CONTENTION ONE:

Merit Pay is an improvement.

A performance pay system will tend to attract and retain individuals who are particularly good at the activity being incentivized and repel those who are not. In 1963, Hoxby and Leigh found, teachers from topnotch colleges earned significantly more than teachers from so-called safety schools. As of 2000, teachers earned the same regardless of their alma mater, the study found. Offering teachers merit pay might lure smart people to the job, Hoxby suggests.

The national union's opposition to new forms of compensation is "wrongheaded," said Brad Jupp, a former vice president of the Denver Classroom Teachers Association, an NEA affiliate. Mr. Jupp, now an adviser to the 72,000-student Denver district, helped design an alternative compensation program while he was the Denver union's lead negotiator in 1999. The union agreed to pilot a pay-for-performance plan. The plan, which has since been adopted districtwide, rewards teachers for improving student achievement, choosing to work in hard-to-staff schools, and earning positive appraisals from peer evaluators.

CONTENTION TWO:

Merit pay gains support from most of America.

Barack Obama wants to start a new program supporting an innovative-schools fund that his campaign says would allow districts to create "portfolios" of schools modeled after existing success stories. In short, our presidency supports this idea of merit pay.

Sens. Norm Coleman, R-Minn., Mary L. Landrieu, D-La., and Joseph I. Lieberman, IConn., and others put forth a proposal this month on major changes to the No Child Left Behind Act that includes incentives for states to look at performance-pay programs to attract teachers to underperforming schools. This shows that merit pay is being recognized at a federal level.

72 percent of respondents say they favor merit pay in general for teachers, with advanced degrees, student test scores, and administrator evaluations ranking as the top measures for assigning raises. Competition is good, not bad. And parents have a right to demand high, measurable performance from those who would teach their children. Lawmakers should listen to the public, with its common sense born of experience, not to the union bosses who want more benefits for less work. Finally, the public demonstrates that they favor merit pay for teachers.

CONTENTION THREE:

Traditional salaries are ineffective.

The chances of a high-performing student becoming a teacher fell from 21% in 1964 to just 11% in 2000, according to a University of Maryland study. Although the obvious culprit is new opportunities, fixed pay in education also contributed to the nosedive, said Caroline Hoxby, a Harvard University researcher who conducted the study with Andrew Leigh.

Supporters of merit pay plans believe that the old pay structures are outdated and don't give teachers incentive to achieve or reward good performance. "Some of our first- and second-year teachers who are at the bottom of the pay scale do brilliant work that often goes unrecognized," one younger teacher told us. "Conversely, there are teachers at the top of the pay scale who have not changed teaching methods in twenty-five years to meet the needs of the kids they work with now."

For these reasons my partner and I stand in full support of the resolution.
logicalmaster17

Con

I contend that merit payment should not be used. This is true because firstly, there is no bright line for merit pay, how much do you give for 5 A students, what about 10? It can not be measured. R2: Merit Payment gives the wrong incentives to teachers. Instead of
giving teachers incentives for the students, you are giving incentives
for money, which is wrong.

R3: The National education association, (NEA) president states,
"Teachers understand that politically motivated panaceas such as merit
pay and eliminating tenure do NOTHING to improve teacher quality." So merit pay does nothing.

I am not going to provide anymore points, since the entire case of my opponent has been plagiarized, therefore I choose not to continue in the debate until further on.
Debate Round No. 1
W33DALLDAY

Pro

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logicalmaster17

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Debate Round No. 2
W33DALLDAY

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Debate Round No. 3
W33DALLDAY

Pro

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logicalmaster17

Con

My opponent has yet to post a unique argument, therefore I refuse to argue his points and you can extend mine.

Vote con.
Debate Round No. 4
W33DALLDAY

Pro

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logicalmaster17

Con

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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Demosthenes 7 years ago
Demosthenes
Wow Pro.

That's low class.
Posted by Koopin 7 years ago
Koopin
Who ever gets this should just have to post their first debate, then call out his plagiarism.
He should then forfeit.
Posted by Koopin 7 years ago
Koopin
I'm sick of this debate, and you just copied and pasted everything.

econrsss.anu.edu.au/~aleigh/pdf/TeacherQuality_media.pdf
Posted by W33DALLDAY 7 years ago
W33DALLDAY
Please make sites and evidence in your SPEEECHSS! MAKES SURE YOUR NOT BS'ING THE WHOLE DEBATE
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