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minute of silence in the Olympic games honoring the MUNICH1972 Israeli athletes

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Started: 7/30/2012 Category: Politics
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alex.g

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the IOC have refused to memorialize the athletes although being asked to in every Olympic games since 1972.
they had a bunch of reasons- " it isn't fit to mix it with the opening ceremony", "if we will do that we will have to memorialize the death of the Palestinian terrorists that died during the rescue operation" and etc'..

the IOC should honor the slaughterer of 11 athletes without any consideration to their nationality.. those athletes died inside the Olympic village, during the Olympic games. they died not only as Israelis or Jews, they died as a part of the extended Olympic family.
realamerikan

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I do not think that the Olympic games should honor the Munich 1972 Israeli athletes because the games are supposed to be non-political. If the fallen Israeli athletes are honored we will then have to engage in a discussion about the legitimacy of the Israeli state. I'm sure that the world would rather enjoy the games instead of having that debate.
Debate Round No. 1
alex.g

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realamerikan

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According to CBS news, the Israeli athletes were taken hostage as a retaliatory measure by Palestinians. The Palestinians wanted Israel to release 200 Palestinian political prisoners. The act was essentially a continuation of the Palestinian war for freedom in Israel.

To remain objective, the Olympic Committee would have to honor the Palestinians killed in the Munich 1972 Olympics too, otherwise they would be indirectly supporting Israel in this ongoing conflict.

source: http://www.cbsnews.com...
Debate Round No. 2
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Debate Round No. 4
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realamerikan

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The Olympic committee understands the importance of remaining neutral in the Israeli occupation of Palestine and continued oppression of the Palestinian people.

http://www.policymic.com...
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by realamerikan 4 years ago
realamerikan
alex.g, no problem buddy. I should be doing my schoolwork instead of engaging in online debates too! Good luck with your exams!
Posted by alex.g 4 years ago
alex.g
realamerikan, I'm sorry man , but we will have to continue\restart it again after 15.08... I have a lot of exams , and I just cannot find the time for it..
Posted by realamerikan 4 years ago
realamerikan
alex.g, don't forget to post your responses in the "Debate Rounds" tab.
Posted by alex.g 4 years ago
alex.g
third and last thing-
1. Palestinians are not citizens of Israel, so they shouldn't feel this way,so I don't see how one can see himself as second class citizen without even having a citizenship..
2. Israeli-Arabs are full citizens in Israel in every way.. besides the fact they have full rights but almost no duties, they enjoy rights they won't have in any other Arab country.. they can study whatever they want.. the ones that do join the army (Druz) can be promoted to the highest levels, they have full represent in the parliament, and a freedom of speech which no other country(including u.s and Europe) would give them..there is affirmative action which helps Arabs since they are a minority in Israel ( in universities, in jobs, and in social care)
3. if having a moment of silence is a downer how come there were three of those during the opening ceremony? they remembered the British soldiers died in WW1 and in WW2 and the victims of the terror attack of 7/7...
Posted by alex.g 4 years ago
alex.g
the most disturbing point is that you think that remembering 11 athletes that died in the Olympic village during the games promotes the conflict... no one has to praise Israel during the ceremony or agree with her policy.. just to remember athletes that didn't die as Israelis but rather as Olympians.
if the Olympics are set to get people together, how come it's allowed for an athlete to shame the Olympics by refusing to compete against someone just because of his race\color\nationality?
to stop fighting you say..? the IOC had to put a wall between the Lebanon and Israeli judo teams because the Lebanons refused to even train in the same facility with the "dirty" Jews..

there are many conflicts in the world (turkey+ Cyprus, south+north Korea etc..), but the fact is that only one group is always threatening with boycotts,refuses to compete, gets insulted by every single thing they find offensive to their midevil culture, and the whole world should walk on their tows not the hurt the Arabs.. do you really think it would be this way without the oil?
Posted by alex.g 4 years ago
alex.g
well.. about the legitimacy of Israel to exist - if we disagree on the point that Israel has the right to exist, all other arguments aren't important, because they based on the legitimacy of the country of Israel..

the fact that many Arabs don't want to compete against Israel- those Arabs couldn't care less about who they compete against.. the problem is that you are, as I am , come from a democracy.. while those athletes are not. if they will dare to compete against Israel they will probably be severely punished and it will be the end of their athletic career.. that was one point.

another point is the hatred they have- and I will assume you meant to the people of those countries and not the athletes themselves, because the athletes are a bit more open-minded after traveling the world in competitions...
again I will have to mention a couple of differences-
1. they are brain-washed in their educational system to hate Jews.. so the main reason many of them hate Israelis is because Israelis are Jewish.. while in every normal country you study math,history and etc, they study made up stories " the protocols of Zion" as history= as facts.. they study that Jews used to make matza bread from the blood of christian and Muslim kids, again as a true event.. they study that Muhammad told to kill the Jews, and that they are apes and are not even human..
trust me- after a couple of years in those schools I would've hate Jews, and I am a Jew...
2. as in many poor countries- just like in Germany during the 1930's and Russia during 1920's, the leaders turn to the most easiest way to maneuver the crowd- the fear and the hate to the minority/different, and so the Jews in Russia were hated because of being "capitalist" and in Germany for being "communist" .. I hope you see the irony..
that's exactly whats going on in Arab countries- they just blame the Jews.. the reason the life quality in all Arab countries is not like in Sweden and Germany is just because of the Jews..
Posted by angrymen 4 years ago
angrymen
The IOC honored them at the olympics that it happened. Why do we have to keep on honoring them? It was sad but there is no need to keep on promoting it every 4 years. The fact is Israel legitimacy is in question because it is a country that was set up by the european countries with no regard for who was living their. The fact that many arabs do not want to compete aganst israelis shows the hatred that is in that region. Why should the olympics be about promoting that conflict? The Olympics were set up to have at least one time for people to get together and stop fighting. The olympics can honor people after a tragedy but there is no reason for people to begin using the olympics to spread hatred or have political debates.

Calling the other side "racist" and "idiots" is the problem in the middle east. You have whole races and cultures being attacked because one side disagrees with them. Many palestines feel like second class citizens under israeli rul and they should.

Also having a moment of silence is really kind of a downer and that is not the point of the opening games.
Posted by alex.g 4 years ago
alex.g
the only reason it is 40 years after is because the IOC refused the request every Olympic games since 1972...
the people that think Israelis deserve it are racists and mostly idiots without any commonsense, and you know what- lets say that some people were brain washed enough to believe its true- does the IOC should behave like them? like ignorant fools that cannot divide their opinions about Israeli policy and killing of athletes...? it is even not like those Israeli Jews that were killed in Bulgaria only because of their nationality, it's Olympians that were killed while staying under the roof of the Olympic village... and since the IOC shouldn't mix politics into sports as they say - what the hell the legitimacy of Israel has to do with the Olympic games? you don't see Israel threatening boycotting because there is a Palestinian group.., or is only the legitimacy of Israel is in question?
Posted by angrymen 4 years ago
angrymen
1year after 3000 deaths is different than 40 years after 11 deaths. Also many people believe that the Israelis deserved it.
Posted by MouthWash 4 years ago
MouthWash
If the Olympics are "non-political," then why did the opening ceremonies include mentions of the Bosnian War in 1996, and why did the 2002 Games open with a minute of silence for victims of 9/11?
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