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morality=survival+truth

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Started: 10/18/2016 Category: Religion
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vi_spex

Pro

balance is a higher level then truth, an ugly rich man is likely to get a female, and so dosnt have to be jealous of others or rape females
Kazierno

Con

Morality: "Principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour"

The topic of this entry is not"at least directly"moral theory; rather, it is the definition of morality. Moral theories are large and complex things; definitions are not. The question of the definition of morality is the question of identifying the target of moral theorizing. Identifying this target enables us to see different moral theories as attempting to capture the very same thing. In this way, the distinction between a definition of morality and a moral theory parallels the distinction

There does not seem to be much reason to think that a single definition of morality will be applicable to all moral discussions. One reason for this is that "morality" seems to be used in two distinct broad senses: a descriptive sense and a normative sense. More particularly, the term "morality" can be used either

1.Descriptively to refer to certain codes of conduct put forward by a society or a group (such as a religion), or accepted by an individual for her own behaviour
2. Normatively to refer to a code of conduct that, given specified conditions, would be put forward by all rational persons.

Which of these two senses of "morality" a theorist is using plays a crucial, although sometimes unacknowledged, role in the development of an ethical theory. If one uses "morality" in its descriptive sense, and therefore uses it to refer to codes of conduct actually put forward by distinct groups or societies, one will almost certainly deny that there is a universal morality that applies to all human beings. Be it a primitive instinct or a instinct one makes entirely on their own behalf, morals differs between person, so I ask you to rephrase what you meant by "truth".
Debate Round No. 1
vi_spex

Pro

morality=survival truth

survival is necessary

and im arguing that, survival truth is applicable in all cases

lies are complicated by seperation

truth is, memory, knowledge, personal experience.. and beliefs are lies

religion is immorality to contrast, as truth is knowledge
Kazierno

Con

The Opposition claims beliefs are lies, understandable. But I want to know, what would the 'truth' be? And how would you define 'truth'? As I stated in my previous argument, the 'truth' may differ between person to person, as do morals. So what does the truth mean to you?
Debate Round No. 2
vi_spex

Pro

knowledge is opposite of belief, knowledge is truth, truth is unchanging, like math dosnt change


truth=math=intelligence=machine=memory=death=darkness=black=negative=morality=past


truth can only be in the past



to say there is a difference to truth is like saying there is a difference to math.. where as 1+1 dosnt equal 2..but this is not the case on the standard level use of math..


truth is unchanging, if there were multiple truths then i might as well have gotten into this seat from my car as by walking by the same time.. which cant be the case, i have 1 body

Kazierno

Con

Knowledge is a truth, whereas a Belief is a lie? But you see, as I do not know what you mean by a belief, I shall just assume you meant beliefs in general: to which I disagree. Many, many theories are just plain assumptions, or 'beliefs' if you will. These beliefs were formed around ideas, they were formed by men of science, men who have dedicated their lives to 'knowledge'. And if these beliefs are lies, and knowledge is truth -- then tell me, what are the makers of these theories - liars, or men who are incapable of lying? Please further expand upon what you meant by beliefs, so I can rewrite my argument.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by vi_spex 1 month ago
vi_spex
im arguing money can balance out ugly, which argues against rape
Posted by vi_spex 1 month ago
vi_spex
sure there is that possibility, but if you get all the women you want surely you are not forced to rape a girl to get a girl..
Posted by vi_spex 1 month ago
vi_spex
you just uttered, beliefs are false is a fallacy of composition.. that is untrue, you cant back it up.. it demonstrates your defeat
Posted by skipsaweirdo 1 month ago
skipsaweirdo
You're confusing cause and effect. A person doesn't rape simply because they don't have access or the means to get a woman. That's a non sequitur. It reflects your position on women as being something to the effect that you owe something to a woman just because she has sex with you. Hint, you don't. You're projecting.
Posted by skipsaweirdo 1 month ago
skipsaweirdo
Once again, mere utterance will not suffice when your logic is inconsistent. I think it's because you forgot to take a class.
Posted by vi_spex 1 month ago
vi_spex
belief=be lie
Posted by vi_spex 1 month ago
vi_spex
oh you are not blocked.. do you understand that its an argument for money?
Posted by vi_spex 1 month ago
vi_spex
no.. im right

i think you are blocked, if thats the case its because you are noob
Posted by skipsaweirdo 1 month ago
skipsaweirdo
An ugly rich man doesn't HAVE to do anything. That's simply a non sequitur, just because someone doesn't have to do something doesn't mean they won't do it. Beliefs are lies is simply a fallacy of composition. Some might be cut that doesn't mean they are all. Within the set of beliefs there can be facts. Vjspex,youre losing miserably.
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