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mother theresa did Not deserve a Nobel Peace Prize

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Started: 2/10/2013 Category: Religion
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mother theresa was a delusional clown and in 1979, the Nobel Peace Prize showed that humans error. Her name and any other names of people, places or things that claim religious lunacy Do Not deserve to be capitalized.

Politically incorrect or Not, that pile of DNA devalues the words mother and prize. She encouraged suffering more than jerry sandusky encouraged 10 yr olds to get naked :)

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Wrong, Mother Teresa did deserve the Nobel Prize.

When traveling she had an "oppifiney" that told her to help the poor. She went to help the poor by living with them, trying to better the world.

It was not what she had discovered but what she had done to help the world that got her the Nobel Prize.

I will display a longer argument when my opponent shows clear evidence of why she did not deserve it.

Debate Round No. 1


mother theresa was a delusional clown and in 1979, the Nobel Peace Prize showed that humans error. Her name and any other names of people, places or things that claim religious lunacy Do Not deserve to be capitalized.

Politically incorrect or Not, that pile of DNA devalues the words mother and prize. She encouraged suffering more than jerry sandusky encouraged 10 yr olds to get naked :)

No Rules. Go Nuts

Not sure where you got that word, or if you just invented it for a rap battle, but Im sure you meant "epiphany"

Either way, a person can claim Elvis is alive and call it an epiphany, big deal, all that proves is people are delusional sometimes :)

Now lets get back to motherphucker theresa, the worthless pile of DNA that used the precious shield of humility called religion to gain noteriety :)

The phrase "mother theresa fraud" entered into Google returned me 854,000 results, lets see which results we should use in this debate.

Since you like Wikipedia, here you go:

Towards the end of her life, Mother Teresa attracted some negative attention in the Western media. The journalist Christopher Hitchens was one of her most active critics. He was commissioned to co-write and narrate the documentary Hell's Angel about her for the British Channel 4 after Aroup Chatterjee encouraged the making of such a programme, although Chatterjee was unhappy with the "sensationalist approach" of the final product.[67] Hitchens expanded his criticism in a 1995 book, The Missionary Position.[85]

Chatterjee writes that while she was alive Mother Teresa and her official biographers refused to collaborate with his own investigations and that she failed to defend herself against critical coverage in the Western press. He gives as examples a report in The Guardian in Britain whose "stringent (and quite detailed) attack on conditions in her orphanages ... [include] charges of gross neglect and physical and emotional abuse",[86] and another documentary Mother Teresa: Time for Change? broadcast in several European countries.[67]

The German magazine Stern published a critical article on the first anniversary of Mother Teresa's death. This concerned allegations regarding financial matters and the spending of donations. The medical press has also published criticism of her, arising from very different outlooks and priorities on patients' needs.[77] Other critics include Tariq Ali of the New Left Review and the Irish investigative journalist Donal MacIntyre.[85]

She has also been criticised for her view on suffering. She felt that suffering would bring people closer to Jesus.[87] Sanal Edamaruku, President of Rationalist International, criticised the failure to give painkillers, writing that in her Homes for the Dying, one could "hear the screams of people having maggots tweezered from their open wounds without pain relief. On principle, strong painkillers were not administered even in severe cases. According to Mother Teresa's philosophy, it is 'the most beautiful gift for a person that he can participate in the sufferings of Christ'."[88]

The quality of care offered to terminally ill patients in the Homes for the Dying has been criticised in the medical press. The Lancet and the British Medical Journal reported the reuse of hypodermic needles, poor living conditions, including the use of cold baths for all patients, and an approach to illness and suffering that precluded the use of many elements of modern medical care, such as systematic diagnosis.[77] Dr. Robin Fox, editor of The Lancet, described the medical care as "haphazard", as volunteers without medical knowledge had to make decisions about patient care, because of the lack of doctors. He observed that her order did not distinguish between curable and incurable patients, so that people who could otherwise survive would be at risk of dying from infections and lack of treatment. Dr. Fox makes it a point to contrast the term "hospice", on the one hand, with what he calls "Mother Teresa's Care for the Dying" on the other hand; noting that, while hospice emphasises minimising suffering with professional medical care and attention to expressed needs and wishes of the patient, her approach does not.[89]

Colette Livermore, a former Missionary of Charity, describes her reasons for leaving the order in her book Hope Endures: Leaving Mother Teresa, Losing Faith, and Searching for Meaning. Livermore found what she called Mother Teresa's "theology of suffering" to be flawed, despite being a good and courageous person. Though Mother Teresa instructed her followers on the importance of spreading the Gospel through actions rather than theological lessons, Livermore could not reconcile this with some of the practices of the organization. Examples she gives include unnecessarily refusing to help the needy when they approached the sisters at the wrong time according to the prescribed schedule, discouraging sisters from seeking medical training to deal with the illnesses they encountered (with the justification that God empowers the weak and ignorant), and imposition of "unjust" punishments, such as being transferred away from friends. Livermore says that the Missionaries of Charity "infantilized" its sisters by prohibiting the reading of secular books and newspapers, and emphasizing obedience over independent thinking and problem-solving.[90]

Hitchens and Stern have said Mother Teresa did not focus donated money on alleviating poverty or improving the conditions of her hospices, but on opening new convents and increasing missionary work.[91] Mother Teresa accepted donations from the autocratic and corrupt Duvalier family in Haiti and openly praised them. She accepted $1.25 million from Charles Keating, involved in the fraud and corruption scheme known as the Keating Five scandal and supported him before and after his arrest. The Deputy District Attorney for Los Angeles, Paul Turley, wrote to Mother Teresa asking her to return the donated money to the people Keating had stolen from, one of whom was "a poor carpenter". The donated money was not accounted for, and Turley did not receive a reply.[92]

Now lets use the remaining space in this round for some True Scripture, not that watered down stuff from 2000 yrs ago.

DevientGenie 2:7--For those who are smarty pants, the Genie is not deviAnt in any evil way, the second 'e' is testament to that fact. He is merely splashing a glass of ice water on the world :)

Secrets 2:41--The Genie was infected early in life with religious poison, which resulted in delusional thoughts in his past, then he turned 12 yrs old :)

BigKids 12:49--There are many ways to describe the tool known as science, however, the best way to describe science is by David Guetta, Sexy B-I-T-C-H :)

STUDS 5:14--Obviously a confident man has a greater chance of bringing a female to orgasm. A confident straight man is Not intimidated nor is he in any way threatened by gay men, therefore, if a man is a homophobe, your girl gets "cheered up" better with the Genie :)

Ideal 8:18--Great minds of men and women will come along and play the role of slayer against the proliferation of religious fairy tales as fact :)

Poisonous 6:8--At the end of the day, when all the dust settles, its just a matter of splitting hairs, semantics, and different interpretations of lunacy, then put it together, call it a religion of some sort, and a human can be poisoned by religious dogma, regardless of genius level intellect, to also be a creationist . Now thats some powerful poison :)

DUH 1:7--Its called faith because its Not evidence :)

BigKids 2:19--There's a reason the words genius, and brilliant minded are Not everyday adjectives in regards to a high level priest, pastor or other religious leader, however, genius and brilliant minded in regards to a high level scientist go together quite well :)

CaptainObvious 4:30--In the year 2013, denying evolution proves you understand science like a shark understands cooking its food first :)


BillyTheKids forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2


Lets take this time to address all religious "widdle kids". Take a peek at some fun thoughts, and tell everybody you meet that you are smarter than Stephen Hawking. Oh, wait you already do that, you already tell everybody that when you embrace a supernatural god.

.A pastor resembling HomoHabilis says: Why should I tip 18%, I only tip god 10%?

Intellectual Advocate says: Because the party of 8 or more and the waitress are real and the experience of enjoying the food and ambiance with a big group was at the expense of real people. More proof religion makes people say and do wicked things :)

Religious guy #1 Jeremy yelling outloud to himself at home in response to DevientGenie message online:

"Who the "F" does he think he is?"

Religious guy #2, the roomate Trevor

Come on Jeremy, youve got god, come on buddy, we're religious, grab god by the balls, hold on real tight, and suckle from the holy binky written 2000 yrs ago to get answers to the universe and life, dont worry, that guys blashemy will see him burning in hell, remember that, anyways, my family is going to Bethlehem.

Remember jeremy, god will always shower you with his love. According to scripture in Fellatio 7:2--"In the year 2013, the first 8 Billion people, will have the opportunity to drink jesus sperm", theyre gonna use super soakers of holy semen, I got a private room in VIP with an "Experience Of a Lifetime" mentor, that teaches people how to ingest the holy semen from an actual baby bottle, wanna come? :)

(current known earth population is only 7 billion, obviously, jesus is just playing it safe in this scripture by saying 8 billion)

Looking Beyond What Your Eyes Can See

Just what are microorganisms? They are small living forms of life which we cannot see with the naked eye. Bacteria, yeasts and molds are three types of microorganisms. Some people often confuse, and almost always misunderstand, their functions, but they are just as real and alive as you are. They eat and grow. They reproduce and die. Everything is conciousness. Conciousness is the ground of all being.

Raise youre conciousness. All the religious "widdle kids" running the show is going to be the achilles heel the United States drags on its way to a higher standard :)

Keep blaming the gun. Youve never been good at being accountable anyways. If sports is 90% from the neck up, life has to be at least 99.99999999999% from the neck up.

Remember when your forebabies were even weaker men then you, that they allowed seperation and segregation and the norm was to discriminate against those of color Monday-Saturday and then after youve been hating for 6 days, you go get "clean" at church, and then back to beating down on Monday :)

I think we call those the "good ol' days", about as accurate of a description as all loving for the pansy main character in the holy binky :)

How about you just keep raising your conciousness christian nation, and let all humans have the same rights as all other humans in a court of law, even if they were born with a different sexual orientation than youre comfortable with, consenting adults that deny other consenting adults the same rights they have because of religious beliefs, are called Bigots.

The United States has a surprising number of bigots. Its because the religious poison that fuels the bigotry is a very powerful toxin. The adjective, "brainwashed" used to describe the effects of this poison is very accurate from a psychological perspective.

SmartyPants 10:4--Increase our chances of inspiring the next genius, take your kids to a museum or science center on Saturday or Sunday and let genius inspire them instead of jesus :)

TRUTH 10:35--Science leads you to KNOW new understandings about the universe and life, the bible leads you to NO new undertandings about the universe and life :)

DUH 1:29--Your inability to comprehend biology, is Not proof of god.

BigKids 1:19--Science doesnt try to prove anything. They try to disprove understandings and determine probability. The genius mind in the 21st century says it is a statistical improbability there are leprechauns at the end of rainbows with pots of gold, they say its a statistical improbability zeus and the gods of mythilogy are the reason for everything. The genesis creation story in the bible is among the leprechauns as a statistical improbability that the reason for everything is concerned with what days you hold holy in its honor :)

Psalami 14:1--The fool hath said in his heart, there is no cumulative evolution by natural selection :)

Recognize 10:25--Its easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a man to disprove cumulative evolution by natural selection :)

BigKids 8:46--Instead of allowing your thinking to be determined for you and being a slave to a fictional petty bully written about 2000 yrs ago in a book filled with page after page on who to kill and why, slavery, and disgusting practices, maye you should get off your butt, put down the adult pacifier known as the holy binky, and be a good boy because you want to, not because youre going to get a scooby snack when you die :)

BigKids 1:40--Religion is peoples way of saying "I cant do this, or I cant figure something out, let god do it, god has answers or god has to fix this because I cant" You can be a cry baby who needs the tit of religion to suckle answers and find guidance or you can be a big kid and do it on your own :)

Hypocrites 3:46--A very recent Pew poll shows that 47 percent of Americans say they believe it is morally wrong to have an abortion. However bigotry, which is, denying someone equal rights because of a religious belief, flourishes quite well towards homosexuality. Its a courtroom, Not a church, equal rights in a courtroom should Not revolve around ridiculous doctrine from 2000 yrs ago :)

BigKids 8:22--Believers in a god do good for the sake of getting a reward and avoiding punishment after death, big kids do good becasue theyre nice :)

Troublemakers 2:39--If truth were a china shop, religion would be the bull :)

BigKids 14:7--Do not avoid and ignore those who are good without god, its a shame in 2013 there are still those that need god to determine their good :)

CaptainObvious 1:1--There are millions of gods people believed in thruought time, everyone is right or everyone is wrong, now lets get back to this Higgs Boson and let kissing girls get married in court :)

CaptainObvious 6:40--Empathy, compassion, love, generosity, and kindness are not human weaknesses, however misusing, overusing, or in any way, using those traits as a shield to hide behind while committing wrongs, is where our problems live. Dont tell me youre moral than I, because I ALWAYS believe two consenting adults deserve to be legally married in the United States and religion says SOMETIMES :)

Articles 10:59--The pope says the church must stand firm against "intolerant agnosticism" Wheres the article that reads "Pope says church must stand firm against touching little boys" Oh, wait, they do stand and get FIRM against little boys :)

LunchBreak 1:15--Then because of the dire straits to which you will be reduced when your enemy besieges you, you will eat your own children, the flesh of your sons and daughters whom the lord has given you--Deuteronomy 28:53

Ouchies 2:9--No man whose testicles have been crushed or whose organ has been cut off may become a member of the assembly of god--Deuteronomy 23:1

Intriguing 1:25--The protons, neutrons, and electrons aren't "inside" the atom, they ARE the atom. ..On the inside, 99.9% of an atom is EMPTY SPACE. That is as well known and acceptable knowledge as anything known in science and as any truth we know. Your car, your house, your bed, Your body, all 99.9% empty space, there's a lot you dont know :)


BillyTheKids forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3


Let's imagine that I tell you the following story:

There is a man who lives at the North Pole.
He lives there with his wife and a bunch of elves.
During the year, he and the elves build toys.
Then, on Christmas Eve, he loads up a sack with all the toys.
He puts the sack in his sleigh.
He hitches up eight (or possibly nine) flying reindeer.
He then flies from house to house, landing on the rooftops of each one.
He gets out with his sack and climbs down the chimney.
He leaves toys for the children of the household.
He climbs back up the chimney, gets back in his sleigh, and flies to the next house.
He does this all around the world in one night.
Then he flies back to the North Pole to repeat the cycle next year.
This, of course, is the story of Santa Claus.
But let's say that I am an adult, and I am your friend, and I reveal to you that I believe that this story is true. I believe it with all my heart. And I try to talk about it with you and convert you to believe it as I do.

What would you think of me? You would think that I am delusional, and rightly so.

Why do you think that I am delusional? It is because you know that Santa is imaginary. The story is a total fairy tale. No matter how much I talk to you about Santa, you are not going to believe that Santa is real. Flying reindeer, for example, are make-believe. The dictionary defines delusion as, "A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence." That definition fits perfectly.

Since you are my friend, you might try to help me realize that my belief in Santa is a delusion. The way that you would try to do that is by asking me some questions. For example, you might say to me:

"But how can the sleigh carry enough toys for everyone in the world?" I say to you that the sleigh is magical. It has the ability to do this intrinsically.

"How does Santa get into houses and apartments that don't have chimneys?" I say that Santa can make chimneys appear, as shown to all of us in the movie The Santa Clause.

"How does Santa get down the chimney if there's a fire in the fireplace?" I say that Santa has a special flame-resistant suit, and it cleans itself too.

"Why doesn't the security system detect Santa?" Santa is invisible to security systems.

"How can Santa travel fast enough to visit every child in one night?" Santa is timeless.

"How can Santa know whether every child has been bad or good?" Santa is omniscient.

"Why are the toys distributed so unevenly? Why does Santa deliver more toys to rich kids, even if they are bad, than he ever gives to poor kids?" There is no way for us to understand the mysteries of Santa because we are mere mortals, but Santa has his reasons. For example, perhaps poor children would be unable to handle a flood of expensive electronic toys. How would they afford the batteries? So Santa spares them this burden.
These are all quite logical questions that you have asked. I have answered all of them for you. I am wondering why you can't see what I see, and you are wondering how I can be so insane.
Why didn't my answers satisfy you? Why do you still know that I am delusional? It is because my answers have done nothing but confirm your assessment. My answers are ridiculous. In order to answer your questions, I invented, completely out of thin air, a magical sleigh, a magical self-cleaning suit, magical chimneys, "timelessness" and magical invisibility. You don't believe my answers because you know that I am making this stuff up. The invalidating evidence is voluminous.

Another Example

Imagine that I tell you the following story:

I was in my room one night.
Suddenly, my room became exceedingly bright.
Next thing I know there is an angel in my room.
He tells me an amazing story.
He says that there is a set of ancient golden plates buried in the side of a hill in New York.
On them are the books of a lost race of jewish people who inhabited North America.
These plates bear inscriptions in the foreign language of these people.
Eventually the angel leads me to the plates and lets me take them home.
Even though the plates are in a foreign language, the angel helps me to decipher and translate them.
Then the plates are taken up into heaven, never to be seen again.
I have the book that I translated from the plates. It tells of amazing things -- an entire civilization of jewish people living here in the United States 2,000 years ago.
And the resurrected jesus came and visited these people!
I also showed the golden plates to a number of real people who are my eye witnesses, and I have their signed attestations that they did, in fact, see and touch the plates before the plates were taken up into heaven.
Now, what would you say to me about this story? Even though I do have a book, in English, that tells the story of this lost jewish civilization, and even though I do have the signed attestations, what do you think? This story sounds nutty, doesn't it?
You would ask some obvious questions. For example, at the very simplest level, you might ask, "Where are the ruins and artifacts from this jewish civilization in America?" The book transcribed from the plates talks about millions of jewish people doing all kinds of things in America. They have horses and oxen and chariots and armor and large cities. What happened to all of this? I answer simply: it is all out there, but we have not found it yet. "Not one city? Not one chariot wheel? Not one helmet?" you ask. No, we haven't found a single bit of evidence, but it is out there somewhere. You ask me dozens of questions like this, and I have answers for them all.

Most people would assume that I am delusional if I told them this story. They would assume that there were no plates and no angel, and that I had written the book myself. Most people would ignore the attestations -- having people attest to it means nothing, really. I could have paid the attesters off, or I could have fabricated them. Most people would reject my story without question.

What's interesting is that there are millions of people who actually do believe this story of the angel and the plates and the book and the jewish people living in North America 2,000 years ago. Those millions of people are members of the mormon church, headquartered in Salt Lake City, Utah. The person who told this incredible story was a man named joseph smith, and he lived in the United States in the early 1800s. He told his story, and recorded what he "translated from the plates", in the book of mormon.

If you meet a mormon and ask them about this story, they can spend hours talking to you about it. They can answer every question you have. Yet the 6 billion of us who are not mormons can see with total clarity that the mormons are delusional. It is as simple as that. You and I both know with 100% certainty that the mormon story is no different from the story of Santa. And we are correct in our assessment. The invalidating evidence is Immeasurable.

Another example

Imagine that I tell you this story:

A man was sitting in a cave minding his own business.
A very bright flash of light appeared.
A voice spoke out one word: "Read!" The man felt like he was being squeezed to death. This happened several times.
Then the man asked, "What should I read?"
The voice said, "Read in the name of your lord who created humans from a clinging zygote. Read for your lord is the most generous. He taught people by the pen what they didn't know before."
The man ran home to his wife.
While running home, he saw the huge face of an angel in the sky. The angel told the man that he was to be the messenger of god. The angel also identified himself as gabriel.
At home that night, the angel appeared to the man in his dreams.
gabriel appeared to the man over and over again. Sometimes.....


BillyTheKids forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by devient.genie 4 years ago
Losing votes here is like Stephen King losing votes to the Wiggles Book among voters age 3-5 yrs old :)

Pretty sure Stephen doesnt give it a second thought.

However, I do enjoy ignorance as my favorite playground, and this site is littered with such ignorance so its fun from time to time to play here :)
Posted by Chase200mph 4 years ago
gordonjames I agree, and the conduct vote is a true cop out!
Posted by Chase200mph 4 years ago
Mother Teresa was a horrific person and need to have her scrawny old arse kicked!
Posted by BillyTheKids 4 years ago
Posted by gordonjames 4 years ago
This cracks me up.

devient.genie loses even though BTK hardly shows up.

I think votes on a debate should be about the debate, not about which side you were for BEFORE the debate.
Posted by cybertron1998 4 years ago
wow I am having a bad day srry genie my mind's not doin so well today so you might need to slow down a bit
Posted by Chase200mph 4 years ago
The great Christian Adolf Hitler did a lot to promote the general wealth and wellbeing for German families, Welfare, medical, food, education, schools, transits systems"so if con"s position that Mother Teresa did good and deserved the Nobel Prize, well then this line of logic would also hold true for Adolf Hitler.
Posted by Chase200mph 4 years ago
I have but one story about Mother Teresa as told to me by a friend who knew her. She was a sexual bigot that hated little boys, you see little boys would eventually grow up and deflower little once little girls. She was a hate filled, mean, loud abusive women that had a heart of stone that only tended her own agenda". Dominance.

So I agree, she was not a peaceful women and did NOT deserve the Nobel Prize".
: )
Posted by devient.genie 4 years ago
cybertron, youre out of control :) Who's mother theresa? Classic :)

cyber, Would you rather be right about something or understand the truth about something?
Posted by cybertron1998 4 years ago
ok say that again but not so jumbled up
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Reasons for voting decision: Full 7 to con. Devient is as offensive as usual and used literally NO original arguments in his rants. Conduct and S/G are obvious.