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crazypenguin
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padfo0t
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multiple fire drills at school do more good than harm

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padfo0t
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 9/18/2008 Category: Society
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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crazypenguin

Con

Hi Padfo0t,
I find multiple fire drills really annoying. We already know how to evacuate and go to that place, but then it just becomes a hazard.

Thanks,
padfo0t

Pro

Because you have not specified what a fire drill is, I will assume you mean when the teachers light the school on fire, drill holes in the walls and tell the kids to get out of it. This would mean that the school most likely would be ruined and that cost money so that means that it would do more HARM than good.
Case closed.
Debate Round No. 1
crazypenguin

Con

THanks for accepting this debate,

When I said fire drills, I meant to say the merriem webster dicitonary definition of:
fire drill
One entry found.
Main Entry: fire drill
Function: noun
Date: circa 1890
: a practice drill in extinguishing fires or in the conduct and manner of exit in case of fire

In which case my opponents argument has no validity to it. This means that when the fire alarm rings and all the students have to be accounted for the first time is ok, because it is a new process. However the multiple time signify after about 2 drills when people start walking and not taking it seriously is when it does more HARM THAN GOOD. WHich if you look on top he proves my point when he says "This would mean that the school most likely would be ruined and that cost money so that means that it would do more HARM than good."

Thank you,
padfo0t

Pro

Oh.

Anyway, it is better for the well being of the students and faculty to have multiple fire drills. As we probably all know, people forget things (unless you forgot you can forget). Students -shuffling about their busy lives- have all the more reason to forget things and one of those things would most likely be the actions necessary to escape a burning building. Using the definition from dictionary.reference.com, we can assume than multiple means 3 or more. Thus the subject of this debate is:

3 or more fire drills at schools do more Good than Harm.

If a fire drill was not practiced at all, or barely once or twice, faculty are putting the students' lives in danger. The students might not become farmiliar with the process and run about in circles in a utterly confused state. Also, we know that people have a habit of screaming during a disaster. Screaming is a natural occurence that signals danger. Screaming also is incredibly loud (by nature) and most definitely drowns out other conversations such as instructions to get out of a burning building. Some schools are quite lazy and have resorted to posting small, rather inconspicuous signs at random points around the campus. We can guess that one would not stop to read this fine print but would much rather enjoy themselves by screaming their heads off. AS stated by the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, 187 people die each year from being trapped in a burning building in California alone, with a total of over 2,800 nationwide. As we know, school children spend a great deal of their time at school (schoolchildren, duh) and a large sum of those deaths are of schoolchildren. This sad fact could have been prevented if those children had had many fire drills that farmiliarized them with the evacuation process.

Dear friend, I cannot possibly see as to how your heart would be so cruel to deny those hundreds of children their life.
These are a tiny fraction of the news headlines for horrible school fire related deaths:::

83 Children Killed In School Fire In Kumbakonam
3 Children Killed In Summit High School Fire Grieved At Funeral
At Least 81 Children Are Killed In Fire at Private School in India
3 Children Killed in Illinois Fire
19 Ugandan school children Killed in Fire
5 Children Killed in Memphis School Fire
Three Children Killed in Fire Cause by Candle
Jewish Standard (school) Piecing Together a Memorial to Children Killed in Fire
Two Children Killed in Fire; school superintendant Roger Allen says among the dozens of people trying to...
78 Children Die as a Fire Sweeps School
Woman, Two children killed in Olustee fire; principal came by and said the school house was on fire...
At least 65 children Killed as Fire tears though Junior High School
28 children killed in Russian School Fire

Now please try to enjoy the rest of your day, and suggest fire drills for your school. (readers)
Debate Round No. 2
crazypenguin

Con

"Anyway, it is better for the well being of the students and faculty to have multiple fire drills. As we probably all know, people forget things (unless you forgot you can forget). Students -shuffling about their busy lives- have all the more reason to forget things and one of those things would most likely be the actions necessary to escape a burning building. Using the definition from dictionary.reference.com, we can assume than multiple means 3 or more. Thus the subject of this debate is:"
For the students and faculty it is not because once they have done 3 fire drills they assume all the other ones are just drills again and therefore no one takes it seriously and everyone is just going somewhere else then the designated spot and not doing anything.

"If a fire drill was not practiced at all, or barely once or twice, faculty are putting the students' lives in danger. The students might not become farmiliar with the process and run about in circles in a utterly confused state. Also, we know that people have a habit of screaming during a disaster. Screaming is a natural occurence that signals danger. Screaming also is incredibly loud (by nature) and most definitely drowns out other conversations such as instructions to get out of a burning building. Some schools are quite lazy and have resorted to posting small, rather inconspicuous signs at random points around the campus. We can guess that one would not stop to read this fine print but would much rather enjoy themselves by screaming their heads off. AS stated by the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, 187 people die each year from being trapped in a burning building in California alone, with a total of over 2,800 nationwide. As we know, school children spend a great deal of their time at school (schoolchildren, duh) and a large sum of those deaths are of schoolchildren. This sad fact could have been prevented if those children had had many fire drills that farmiliarized them with the evacuation process."

Did I say put the fire drills back to back? No, because you can have one in the beginning of the year one in the middle and one in the end keeping people in check while not giving them to much slack. Those deaths happen for other reasons than not having more than 3 fire drills. My opponent never stated why those people just HOW. As for the screaming at most schools faculty keep the students in check and I assume that if someone went crazily screaming that he/ she would be helped by their friends.

Now for all the stats my opponent showed WHY did those people died. We know they died in a fire but was it because of lack of fire drills or more likely other reasons. If a car race dies in a race is it because of lack of driving or because the other guy swerved and he hit him and died. Fire drills are not the cause of those deaths what if it was because the students had so many fire drills they didn't take it seriously and that's why they died in the fire.

Thanks,
padfo0t

Pro

<<<"For the students and faculty it is not because once they have done 3 fire drills they assume all the other ones are just drills again and therefore no one takes it seriously and everyone is just going somewhere else then the designated spot and not doing anything.">>>

Sorry, I do not understand what you are trying to say.

<<<"Did I say put the fire drills back to back? No, because you can have one in the beginning of the year one in the middle and one in the end keeping people in check while not giving them to much slack.">>>

I was merely giving an example about the consequences of not having regular fire drills. Two drills is the highest number covered by the term "less than multiple" so it is clear that you suggest having at the most two drills. No matter how far apart you space them, they would either be very close together -leaving moths of idleness- or very far apart leaving a large space between them.

<<<"Now for all the stats my opponent showed WHY did those people died. We know they died in a fire but was it because of lack of fire drills or more likely other reasons. If a car race dies in a race is it because of lack of driving or because the other guy swerved and he hit him and died. Fire drills are not the cause of those deaths what if it was because the students had so many fire drills they didn't take it seriously and that's why they died in the fire.">>>

You have not stated any OTHER reasons that could lead to that many deaths in a school fire so I can only assume my reason is correct. I cannot think of many other likely reasons for those childrens;' deaths other than panicking and screaming and all the things you learn not to do during regular fire drills.

Thanks.

Now onto my own points.

1_ Most fire drills are put at random intervals throughout the year to show students and teachers that fires can strike at any time. This is important because sometimes kids are at different places around the campus during a fire drill. If there even were one or two fire drills, they would not become farmiliar with evacuating at different places around the campus.
For Example, Happy Elementary School could have two fire drills during homeroom period when all the little kiddies are sitting in their chairs. The first time they would learn how to evacuate from that room, and where to line up by following others. The sencond time the kids are at lunch and they all leave the cafeteria and head for the field. Technically thatwould be classified as under-multiple.
But what if a fire happened during assembly, or fourth period/class. What would they do then? They kids would run around and they probably wouldn't know where the nearest exit was to safety.

By having multiple fire drills, they farmiliarize themselves with different areas of the campus and what to do if that disaster where to occur.
I have to go to Spanish 2 class now, bye!
Debate Round No. 3
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padfo0t
Oops, heehee wrong side of the debate, now I claim that I temporarily lost my mind.
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