nature always existed
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nature is logic, logic is cause and effect, no causeless effects can exist and no effectless causes.. for eksample, as a cause causes... and as nature is life, so a god didnt create us
description is information, not natural
concepts are of the mind, reasoning not logic
causes cant exist without effects
well, i have to introduce another argument.. and that is that if god created nature, it would be a machine, therfore is impossible.. everything has an opposite
"Causes cant exist without effects". I agree. Effects can't also exist without causes. Everything that happens in the universe has a cause. In turn, the Universe itself has a cause. Science can't explain this cause. If the Universe had a beginning, it must have a cause. That cause is God. If God doesn't exist, the Universe wouldn't exist. If you deny the existence of God (the cause), you should also deny the existence of the Universe (the effect).
machines are mechanical
reality is logic.. logic equals cause and effect
if god cause reality it would be a machine, nature is random, not mechanical
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