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Started: 9/4/2017 Category: Miscellaneous
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minho007

Pro

Sex is a natual way of life and nobody has the right to control someones elses life. We have the right to freedom of choice. So if a person chooses to have sex, noboy has the right to control their life choice or actions.
rextr05

Con

Your opening statement is ambiguous. Since this is a debate re pedophilia, are you saying that sex with kids should be acceptable regardless of the consequences to the child?

You say nobody has the right to control someone else's life. Are you saying this is true regardless of the harm it does to the kid?

Please explain your "freedom of choice" remark. If it means that one should have freedom to have sex with a minor, I must question your sanity.

This is illegal & harms kids. Why even think this is debatable?

Please state your purpose & position re pedophilia.
Debate Round No. 1
minho007

Pro

Age does not exist and is not a excuse to force and promote censorship amongst the people. Human beings have sex. This is normal. What is abnormal is when people discriminate against people while hiding behind the term "age" and then attack people who do and think differently than them. This is madness.

Like I said, age does not exist. The government has no right to force the people into the control of an dictatorship. we as human beings we can take care of ourselves as we have been doing for millions of years. we do not need the government spying and violating our rights to privacy. This "child" conspiracy is a result of conservative thinking that have been forced on us by "big brother". We are human beings who have sex with other human beings. Labelling people are wrong and violating our right to freedom of expression is wrong.
rextr05

Con

I would have to ask you to respond to my initial questions re the harm physically, emotionally & mentally to a kid.

It seems that your entire argument is based on your opening statement. You second round comments only restate your opening round. You seem not to be considering kids. Does this not promote a selfish one sided relationship, which is the antithesis of the definition of a relationship between two people?

You state that age does not exist, & is not an excuse to promote pedophilia. Do you have any reliable scholarly data that would back this up regarding the potential harm to a 6 year old ..... since you state that there should be no age discrimiation re having sex.

There are several studies on the psychological effects of adult-child sex on children. One of the largest studies, funded by the US National Institute of Drug Abuse, found that in a sample of 1,400 adult women, childhood sexual abuse was significantly correlated with increased likelihood of drug dependence, alcohol dependence, major depression, and general anxiety disorder (Zickler 2002). Other studies identify a strong correlation between sexual abuse and various psychological disorders such as dissociative identity disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder, borderline personality disorder, and various eating disorders. Meta-analyses estimate that between 51% and 79% of sexually abused children display symptoms of psychological disorders (see Hornor 2010). Presumably, psychological disorders, or symptoms thereof, constitute harm, and arguably, the threshold for being harmed is even lower than the threshold for having identifiable psychological disorders or symptoms of such disorders. As such, the evidence for the harmful psychological effects of adult-child sex seems solid.

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Since pedophilia is recognized as a mental disorder, I have to wonder you would promote it as your statement of, "What is abnormal is when people discriminate against people while hiding behind the term "age" and then attack people who do and think differently than them. This is madness." If you consider the illegality of pedophilia a form of madness, yet pedophilia is considered by the ARA as a mental disorder, (see below) I must ask you how you would characterize it as "normal?" Many times the person with the disorder does not recognize their own problem. I have to wonder if you have been told you may have this condition since you seem to be promoting it.

"The American Psychiatric Association (APA) recognizes a mental disorder characterized by sexual attraction to children, which it terms "pedophilic disorder." Pedophilic disorder is part of a subset of mental disorders known as "paraphilic disorders," named so because each involves an unusual sexual interest called a "paraphilia."

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Below are from "HARMING THE LITTLE ONES: THE EFFECTS OF PEDOPHILIA ON CHILDREN"
Timothy J. Dailey, Ph.D.

Effects of Child Sexual Abuse on Children. Contrary to the opinions of those who would minimize the negative consequences of adult-child sex, the effects are immediate and often severe. In a clinical study, Robert L. Johnson, M.D., found that "70% of those who had been molested (by a male or female) felt devastated immediately after the molestation incident had occurred."

Low self-esteem and depression are the most important long-term effects experienced by sexually abused boys, along with a tendency to feel helpless and vulnerable. Some of these boys are almost compulsively drawn into situations where they are repeatedly victimized. Adult types of sexual dysfunction appear to be as common among former sexual abuse victims as they are in adult rape victims.

Finally, and not surprisingly, many of these children become suicidal. They are more likely than other maltreated children to receive the psychiatric diagnosis of Posttraumatic Stress Disorder.28 Because of the nature of the abuse, they have difficulty forming trusting relationships " especially with those they view as parental figures.

Emotional distress: Depression is the most commonly reported symptom among adult survivors of sexual abuse. Sexual abuse victims may have as much as a fourfold greater lifetime risk for major depression than do individuals with no such abuse history (Stein, et al., 1988). The pervasiveness of depression among some survivors is thought to be the cumulative effects of chronic betrayal, disempowerment, feelings of guilt and helplessness, and low self-esteem (Finkelhor & Browne, 1985; Peters, 1988).32

Anxiety: Various types of phobias are also a well-documented effect of sexual abuse, "with sexual abuse survivors having up to five times a greater likelihood of being diagnosed with at least one anxiety disorder than their nonabused peers (Saunders, Villeponteaux, et al., 1992; Stein et al., 1988)."33

Rage: Adult survivors of child sexual abuse often report chronic irritability, unexpected and overwhelming episodes of anger, and fear that their anger might turn violent. The anger is sometimes turned outward in verbal or physical abuse of others, or internalized as self-hatred and depression.

Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD): The psychiatric diagnosis of Posttraumatic Stress Disorder covers individuals experiencing extreme emotional reactions to traumatic events.

Child sexual abuse has been shown to result in PTSD in as many as 36% of adult survivors (Donaldson & Gardner, 1985; Saunders, Villeponteaux, et al., 1992). When the abuse included penetration, the risk for developing PTSD appears especially high, with as many as 66% of such victims developing the disorder at some point in their lives (Saunders, Villeponteaux, et al., 1992).34

Substance abuse: Abused children who try to numb their emotional pain with drugs often carry their dependency into adulthood. "Current clinical experience shows as many as 80 percent of hospitalized substance-abuse patients have a history of childhood sexual abuse."35

Promiscuity: Child sexual abuse produces a range of behavioral problems, including compulsive sexual behaviors.

One such consequence is adult sexual promiscuity. Anxiety which arises over childhood abuse may be dealt with by compulsive or addictive behaviors. Repressed or forgotten abuse may manifest itself in adult life symptomatically by out-of-control behaviors which are abusive of self and others.36

Suicide: Victims of child sexual abuse are at greater risk for suicide.

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I'll end this round with a question to you. Is the definite detrimental outcome to kids worth sexual gratification of adults?
Debate Round No. 2
minho007

Pro

How can I consider your statements about a "6 year old" or a "kid" when age does not exist and both expressions are based on a system that does not exist.

Sex is a beneficial and healthy action for human beings. It has many benefits including stress relief, prolongation of life, and an increase in sexual human functions. It is also the reason why the human race has existed for as long as we have. Sex also helps to build and strengthen relationships between people and gets us in touch with one of the many things that makes us human.

How can something be harmed that does not exist. Using sex to promote discrimination is not helping humanity. It is only bringing us closer to our doom. The division of humanity via a number system is not helping humanity but is only making those who benefit from this system rich, and the victims poor.

There should be no discrimination period. We deserve better as living things on this earth. Nothing good comes out of discrimination or a society funded dictatorship. Age are qualified as both these things. Which we do not need to survive or even to help humanity live. Humanity brought the curse of age on themselves but even then age did not exist. All this false reality is madness and must be stopped before it's too late.

I answer your question with a question. What is normal?
One persons normal is another persons abnormal. For example, homosexuals find being in love and having sex with the same sex as normal. However a conservative heterosexual would find this lifestyle to be abnormal or "an abomination to the lord". So who then on this planet should determine who is "normal" and who is "abnormal". Are you saying that individuality and personal choice/creativity are merits to label someone with a "mental disorder"? Are homosexuals and the LGBTP+ community abnormal? Are Muslims abnormal? The only people who would qualify as "normal" would be the ones who think like you and believe in what you believe. Which leads the rest of us stranded in uncertainty and victims on abuse and personal hatred. To a racist, Africans are "abnormal". This way of thinking is why our society is falling apart. And these "physiological reports and disorders" are the very entities that enslave us in conservative obscurity and the free thinker will be punished and victimized all in the name of "normal. This is madness.

The ARA is nothing compared to the human element. what right do they have to brainwash the population with propaganda. That it is ok to treat people with hatred and disrespect if the ARA does not see that person(s) as "normal". Plus, the ARA changes their findings constantly. Most of their "findings are based on personal preferences and prejudiced. Also based on "social norms" and religious standards. The ARA is a joke. We the people are not slaves to the ARA or any other organization. We think for ourselves like we've have done for millions of years before the ARA even existed.

The government has no right to dictate or lives. especially seeing how they know nothing about our lifes. So these "laws" are not in favour of the people, but a result of the government giving in to political pressure from religious groups and specialist lobbies. That means that everything that the government makes "illegal" is not made that way because it's bad. But because the government chose to side with their party or to submit to special interest groups or whoever can pay the most (bribe) money and/or get them re-elected. You can not use the law to determine who deserves to live their lives and who deserves to have their personal and social lives destroyed. To judge those who are different than you and bless those who are "equal" to you. that is not true equality or a true democracy. It is a segregation based political system that will sooner or later collapse. And when it does,god help us all.

The American Psychiatric Association also stated that homosexuality and being transgender a mental disorder. They have since changed their position. Do not treat the government or the "organizations" as if they were God. They are human beings too and they are not perfect. They do not represent the 7 billion+ people in existence. Only themselves and those crazy enough to believe them.

I do not have a mental disorder. I fight for the rights of the common man to be protected and for the human race to be respected so finally we can live life in peace and enjoy life while we have it. Nobody deserves to be persecuted for their beliefs no matter if you agree with what they believe in or not.

There is no such thing as "sexual abuse survivors". You can not be a survivor of something that does not exist. The act of sex have been taken out of it original context and merged in with a bunch of random problems that many people go through throughout their lives. Sex has nothing to do with abuse and neither one of these actions are compatible. They naturally contradict on another. Therefore sexual assault does not and never existed.

Age does not exist. There is no harm caused by sex between two (or more) human beings. Sex is not "detrimental" to anybody. It is natural fun and exciting experience that should be embraced, not abhorred. Only the conservative or "Christian" ideology would teach something like that. But that ideology is out of touch with the truth and with reality. It is a leftover idea of the dark ages and should be forgotten and replaced by an intellectual ideology that includes everyone and excludes no one. There is no "detrimental outcome" to people who have sex. The gratification of sex results in pleasure and personal enjoyment. This is the 21st century and we are smarter than what the conservatives are forcing in our mouths. They live their lives in the past, but we the people are the future.
rextr05

Con

If you are referring to some alternate universe in which age does not exists, then it's not part of this debate because our world considers age of consent a requirement for the harm it does to children. (Please refer to my previous round regarding studies of harm to children in sexual abuse cases. Please note, that sexual activity from a pedophile with a minor is considered sexual abuse). If you wanted to make a "no age consent fantasy world" part of your theme, you would have had to state it in your opening statement. Please refrain from making that mistake again because I have addressed it before & now, again.

You are deflecting from the topic when you begin to refer to, "Sex is a beneficial and healthy action ..." considering the proven harm and existing laws re sex with minors. Laws, your use of "discrimination" in this context, were established because of the harm to kids.

Please provide a reliable source for your claim of, " It (anti-pedophilia laws & sexual abuse of a minor) is only bringing us closer to our doom."

Same re your next claim of, "The division of humanity ..." in relation to pedophilia.

You say, "We deserve better as living things on this earth." I must ask you don't the kids deserve the same? But aas humans. we are supposed to have the capability to make decisions that should only promote well being of everyone. You are promoting a selfish desire for a small segment, while wanting to hurt a larger segment. How does that figure with, "We, (children included) deserve better ...."

Is, "all this false reality is madness ..." actually mad, or is your false sense of reality mad? Society deems what is harmful, & makes corrective action re the harmful effects to the innocent. Perversion of those laws hurt those innocents. (See my second response for details). But too late for what I ask you?

Answering a direct question with deflection is not an answer. Please address my original question. This is the third request.

As far as what is normal ... cultures make rules for the betterment of the whole, & so as the innocents are not harmed. That's the normal you are referring to I believe.

Your example of "homosexuals .... normal/abnormal" hs nothing to do with harm to the children. What ou are referring to is consenting ADULTS, not kids. So, your argument has nothing to do with this debate. The same goes for the rest of your paragraph.

With one exception .... Your, "Which leads the rest of us stranded in uncertainty and victims on abuse and personal hatred," comes from the absolute scholarly backed fact that child abuse in any form, especially sexual, comes from the fact that it is against the law, harms those kids, is one of the most selfish acts anyone can do re only gratification the pedophile, & many other valid reasons.

"Free thinking" has nothing to do with minor sexual abuse. Free thinkking may reject religious & political norms, but has nothing to do with actual harm to children.

The APA (I think you erred with your spelling regarding the American Psychiatric Association) Their purpose:
Our mission is to advance the creation, communication and application of psychological knowledge to benefit society and improve people's lives. We do this by:

Encouraging the development and application of psychology in the broadest manner.
Promoting research in psychology, the improvement of research methods and conditions and the application of research findings.
Improving the qualifications and usefulness of psychologists by establishing high standards of ethics, conduct, education and achievement.
Increasing and disseminating psychological knowledge through meetings, professional contacts, reports, papers, discussions and publication.
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I do not see where they wish to, "... brainwash the population ..." or, "... treat people with hatred and disrespect ..." Please provide a reliable universally accepted source re your allegations.

Please also show reliable sources for your accusation of, " Most of their (APA) "findings are based on personal preferences and prejudiced."

Would I be correct in assuming that the APA findings with years of study regarding sexually abused children to be a complete lie as you insinuate here?

Yes, we have thought for ourselves for thousands (not millions as you have stated) and have learned how certain behaviors of some hurt others. Sexual abuse of minors is just one thing we have learned thru time.

If you believe your government does not have the right to make laws to protect innocent children from harm, you may want to move where this is allowed. You say that, "... these "laws" are not in favour of the people..." Are children not people? Do these laws not protect children from the harm sexual abuse causes?

You also state that, "... the government giving in to political pressure ..." regarding sexual predators. I believe the overwhelming majority o the citizens will agree that sexual abuse of a minor is wrong & should be punished thru the laws. If you have any data refuting this claim, please provide it. And while you ae at it, please provide reliable sourcing to back up your accusation above. You even go as far to say, "... whoever can pay the most (bribe) money ..." re keeping officials in place that uphold anti-sexual abuse. And I state this because your inference during this discussion has dealt with sexual encounters with minors is acceptable. Please provide a source for this also.

Your statement of, "To judge those who are different than you ..." only includes your perception of normal. It does not take into account the harm it does regarding children. So yes, child sexual abusers are judged because of thee harm it does to kids. There is no true democracy BTW. True democracy is rule by the majority's desires regardless of the ill effects that majority chooses to impose. Ummm, God will not help your efforts to sexually abuse kids.

Sorry, but your claim regarding the APA, "... stated that homosexuality is a mental disorder," is false.

"The American Psychological Association recommended to the World Health Organization that the category of classifications on psychological and behavioral disorders associated with sexual development and orientation (F66) be deleted from ICD-10," in 2000 & once again in 2009.

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So I must ask you why you hve even addressed this issue if they have promoted this position for years.
Please tell me of one country that approves of sexual abuse of children, since you've brought up the 7 plus billion people in the world.

Your statement of, "I do not have a mental disorder." Many people are in complete denial of their mental problems. You evidently are one of them. Your condition has been diagnosed as a disorder in all of developed countries worldwide.
You say you fight for the rights of the "common man." Is not a child a common man?

Should someone be punished for following their belief that the white or any race is the only one that should survive when they kill people of the other race? That's what you are saying here with your, "Nobody deserves to be persecuted for their beliefs no matter if you agree with what they believe in or not." Why is it perfectly fine for you to sexually abuse a child, which is against the law, & not to break other laws re what some person believes? Both are against the law, both harm innocents.

Your, "There is no such thing as "sexual abuse survivors." Please provide reliable documentation from a scholarly source to prove that point. While you're at it,prove that entire paragraph is sound re historical & proven data. Your claims are only your personal opinion, which if not reliable, it cannot be taken as valid.

"Age does not exist." there you go again with a incorrect statement. Your, "There is no harm caused by sex between two (or more) human beings. Sex is not "detrimental" to anybody. It is natural fun and exciting experience that should be embraced, not abhorred," has been proven false in every respect regarding children exposed to sexual experiences. You say that, "Only the conservative or "Christian" ideology would teach something like that." Please tell me why liberal states & countries have laws against sex with minors. Once again, personal opinion means nothing in a debate if not sourced reliably.

Please provide any reliable info regarding your, "... leftover idea of the dark ages ..." regarding child sexual abuse.

I must question your reading comprehension when you state, " There is no "detrimental outcome" to people who have sex," when a child is involved, or anyone that is incapable of making the right decision be it too drunk, or limited mental capacity, etc. You treat this as if there is only one person involved, & that's thee child predator abusing the child sexually.

You finish with, "They live their lives in the past, but we the people are the future," with regards to children being sexually abused. Please tell me what "people" are you referring to in the 21century? Who are all these great number of people advocating sex with a child? Please provide accurate data.
Debate Round No. 3
minho007

Pro

Your personal beliefs does not represent the rest of the world. So don't drag the world into a connection with your personal beliefs. Age of consent is not a requirement but a choice made by conservatives to be followed. In that sense, the conservative world is different from the rest of the world. Because your beliefs are only valid within the conservative community. Your studies are based within the realms of the conservative world but that means nothing to people outside your community.

Age does not exist and have everything to do with this debate seeing how you brought up "children" and "kids" in your response. Also a conservative "fantasy" is the rest of the worlds reality and vice versa. So naturally, you would think the way you do.

Laws does not control the human element. The people thinks for themselves. The law is a basic outline of the ideology of the current and/or past government in question. But it is not a boundary or a restriction (although some people treat it as such) and it is not a tool to promote or enforced a dictatorship. Also laws constantly are changed and updated. Laws are not written in stone and are open to interpretation. The conservative interpretation of law is different from the open minded community. So law has nothing to do with this debate. In fact it would be more of a trap to include law in this debate in order to force someone into submission of a conservative agenda. To hide behind the law in order to control the situation in their favour instead of allowing things to progress in a natural pace. To turn this debate towards the law, is admitting that you can't think for yourself. Relying on conservative doctrine to fight against a liberal society is not allowing your side to be properly represented because your words becomes moot and lost in translation (conservative language to open minded language). The fact that you continue to use the same argument that is based on "age" and discriminatory tiles based on age, shows that you lack a open mind and came here with a hidden agenda in order to convert the open minded to a conservative slave with an imitated form of free will and free thinking.

Look at the people who lose their jobs and their lives because of the madness of the government in result of the "sexual predators listing". Who does that benefit? Nobody. Because the people who are suppressed and oppressed does not receive the same justice as everyone else. This is a form of censorship. We the people are being punished by the government via laws because we live our lives and do things that are different from the understanding and beliefs of the government. This closed minded avenue of governance is bringing us to our doom because it promotes that the government can control us but we as people have no control over ourselves.

To divide the people with titles like "paedophiles", therefore leads to the division of society. Just like when the term "faggot" is used in relevance to the LGBTPQ community, it shows the prevalent lack of tolerance and respect towards each other. Or when the term "terrorist" is attached to Muslims and people from the middle east, that shows the existence of a divided establishment. Or when "illegal immigrants" is attached to people who come into America in a non conservative way, it shows that there is no respect to the people who have come to America to live better lives and/or to provide a service to those they love. When the word "nigger" was attached to people with darker skin (not "white") this shows the relevance of racism and bigotry in our society. To call people names and to label and judge them rather personally or through the law is the division of humanity. Where the "faggot" or the "illegal immigrant" is treated far worse than the conservative/Christian who gave them those names in the first place. Where will it end? The segregation of the people by the closed minded person. Total madness.

We the people deserve better as living things on this earth. That means all people. So what is a "kid"? You are making no sense.

There is nothing selfish about sex or having personal views that are different from someone else. Yes we are capable of making decisions that only promote the well being of everyone. So long as it does not violate the personal beliefs of the other person in question or degrade that person and their way of life.

Equality and respect for others benefits everybody and nobody should be left behind. You are dividing humanity into "people I like" vs "people I don't like." Then you base your feelings towards someone on that standard. But that standard is alienating everyone and in return harms the human race. "We" means people. Not "children".

The madness in society can be seen by the many victims of society who have experienced this madness first hand. The people who march in the streets for change or the people who speak out in the media and the many art forms. This is the visual proof of the existence of this insanity and madness in society. This is for real and no amount of censorship or closed mindedness will change this truth.

Homosexuals are people. Human beings. Not "adults" or kids". There are people who are gay. Nothing wrong with that. But they are people nevertheless and deserve the equal respect that all human beings deserPOST/debates/debate/argument/save/HTTP/1.1Host:www.debate.orgUser-Agent:Mozilla/5.0(WindowsNT10.0;WOW64;rv:55.0)Gecko/20100101Firefox/55.0Accept:*/*Accept-Language:en-US,en;q=0.5Accept-Encoding:gzip,deflateContent-type:application/x-www-form-urlencodedReferer:http://www.debate.org...=(direct)|utmccn=(direct)|utmcmd=(none);__unam=513d65-15e63676ba4-7855355e-2;__utmb=101980692.2.10.1504908512;__utmt=1DNT:1Connection:keep-aliveid=103799, Your personal beliefs does not represent the rest of the world. So don't drag the world into a connection with your personal beliefs. Age of consent is not a requirement but a choice made by conservatives to be followed. In that sense, the conservative world is different from the rest of the world. Because your beliefs are only valid within the conservative community. Your studies are based within the realms of the conservative world but that means nothing to people outside your community.

Age does not exist and have everything to do with this debate seeing how you brought up "children" and "kids" in your response. Also a conservative "fantasy" is the rest of the worlds reality and vice versa. So naturally, you would think the way you do.

Laws does not control the human element. The people thinks for themselves. The law is a basic outline of the ideology of the current and/or past government in question. But it is not a boundary or a restriction (although some people treat it as such) and it is not a tool to promote or enforced a dictatorship. Also laws constantly are changed and updated. Laws are not written in stone and are open to interpretation. The conservative interpretation of law is different from the open minded community. So law has nothing to do with this debate. In fact it would be more of a trap to include law in this debate in order to force someone into submission of a conservative agenda. To hide behind the law in order to control the situation in their favour instead of allowing things to progress in a natural pace. To turn this debate towards the law, is admitting that you can't think for yourself. Relying on conservative doctrine to fight against a liberal society is not allowing your side to be properly represented because your words becomes moot and lost in translation (conservative language to open minded language). The fact that you continue to use the same argument that is based on "age" and discriminatory tiles based on age, shows that you lack a open mind and came here with a hidden agenda in order to convert the open minded to a conservative slave with an imitated form of free will and free thinking.

Look at the people who lose their jobs and their lives because of the madness of the government in result of the "sexual predators listing". Who does that benefit? Nobody. Because the people who are suppressed and oppressed does not receive the same justice as everyone else. This is a form of censorship. We the people are being punished by the government via laws because we live our lives and do things that are different from the understanding and beliefs of the government. This closed minded avenue of governance is bringing us to our doom because it promotes that the government can control us but we as people have no control over ourselves.

To divide the people with titles like "paedophiles", therefore leads to the division of society. Just like when the term "faggot" is used in relevance to the LGBTPQ community, it shows the prevalent lack of tolerance and respect towards each other. Or when the term "terrorist" is attached to Muslims and people from the middle east, that shows the existence of a divided establishment. Or when "illegal immigrants" is attached to people who come into America in a non conservative way, it shows that there is no respect to the people who have come to America to live better lives and/or to provide a service to those they love. When the word "nigger" was attached to people with darker skin (not "white") this shows the relevance of racism and bigotry in our society. To call people names and to label and judge them rather personally or through the law is the division of humanity. Where the "faggot" or the "illegal immigrant" is treated far worse than the conservative/Christian who gave them those names in the first place. Where will it end? The segregation of the people by the closed minded person. Total madness.

We the people deserve better as living things on this earth. That means all people. So what is a "kid"? You are making no sense.

There is nothing selfish about s
rextr05

Con

My personal beliefs have not been reflected here without reliable scholarly sources to reinforce them.

You continue to state opinions in factual form. You have refused to give any scholarly, or any sources, to back up any of your previous contentions throughout your discussion. This is not about personal opinion. This is about proving one side's use of convincing argument using convincing (reliable) documentation. You keep blaming everything on, "the conservative world," but have not proven this in any way shape or form. You also have not had any convincing arguments to bolster your side. Maybe show some studies that prove that, "Age does not exist," " Age of consent is not a requirement ..." for sexual activity, "Laws does not control the human element," "There should be no discrimination period," regarding age for sexual activity, & many other of your opinions here. You show nothing other than the point of view from you, the pedophile, which hurts children & this has been proven time & time again. (See above studies).

Laws must control the human element that harms others, so explain your contention otherwise. I could take each one of your claims (sentences) and ask you to show reliable proof of what you've stated here. I have actully done this several times. You refuse to provide any source whatsoever. Everything you say here is your own personal & unsubstantiated opinion. Opinions without reliable sources is worthless.

Your lengthy third paragraph regarding conservatives shows your personal distaste for them. But with all your accusations, you offer no proof that what you say is truth. Please do so. Your, "... you lack a open mind and came here with a hidden agenda ..." is something you assume. If it is true, show actual proof.

The loss of a job for someone convicted of any crime is something that is pretty much the same across the board regarding criminals. Are you saying that all jobs that are lost due to a criminal past, including sexual crimes, should be overlooked in all cases?

Your, "To divide the people with titles like "pedophiles" ... "shows the prevalent lack of tolerance and respect towards each other." No, society has chosen to use professional studies to determine right from wrong and "label" offenders as it applies. Not the conservatives, all society. I you can prove otherwise, please do so.

Your, "We the people deserve better as living things on this earth." I have asked you if this applies to children being sexually abused by adults, which you haven't answered yet. Aren't children part of "we the people?" Your answer of, "That means all people. So what is a "kid"? You are making no sense." Are you telling me & all of the professionals & parents of children of all these abused kids that do not have the capability to make sexual decisions, are wrong? That you would have us think that sex with children is good for the children? Please explain that with studies to give cause to agree with you.

Your use of, "Homosexuals are people," is a deflection from this subject of sexual abuse by adults. Homosexuality has nothing to do with this debate.
The studies I have provided is by professionals in their respective fields. If you can show reliable scholarly cause to discredit their findings, then please do. If not, then it's a biased opinion & worthless.

Everything you have written in this round is redundant regarding your other statement in the preceding rounds. You blame everything on conservatives & religious people without a shread of back up. Your argument keeps restating the same unsubstantiated claims that everyone else, including the professionals in that filed, & all the children should not be listened to. Only you have a say in this.

What you need to do now, is prove without a doubt that your selfish sexual desires are more important than children's' health & the parents' concern for them.
Debate Round No. 4
minho007

Pro

Even though you have "scholarly sources", those"sources" have been chosen to be used to support your personal beliefs.

All of my statements are facts and truth. Only a fool would lie in a debate. Debates are used to support a persons opinion and to get their side of the issues heard. I gave you proof of the conservative agenda but you chose to ignore me and dismiss my facts as "meaningless". I am not here to convince the people but to teach the people the truth. Age does not exist because there is no natural system to support it's existence. "Paedophile" does not exist because there is no natural system to support said existence. Both was created by people who desired to show bias towards others and divide/suppress the people.

A persons feelings and opinions are important and that person deserves respect. People do not rely on "professional studies"to "determine what is right or wrong. We think for ourselves. It's called common sense.

The law should not be used as a dictatorship and slave master of the people. Religion is not an excuse to dictate and force personal and conservative values and suggestions on people. The law shoud never discrimate or control someones sex life or any aspect of their lives. No to "big brother".

People having sex is a good thing for both parties.

Homosexuals are victims just like people who are punished for having sex.

I have backed up my facts but you continue to ignore and dismiss them.

People and professionals makes mistakes and that is why it is important to learn the truth and take control.

This debate has nothing to do with mine or other peoples sex lives. I am not selfish for speaking out against this, but you are for not taking to heart and trying for a second to understand my position. There is nothing selfish about sex,equality and respect for others.

"children and parents" does not exist. we are all human beings on this earth. we need to learn to get along.
rextr05

Con

I have used "scholarly sources" because they support my argument that I have chosen to debate with you. That is the object of debate. Use approved reliable sources to show one has the more reasoned & valid argument. I have continually shown my argument against pro pedophilia, that sexual contact with children causes harm to them & family using reliable scholarly sources. Pro has used a barrage of illogical "Age does not exist because there is no natural system to support it's existence." when it comes to having sex with children. Pro states, "Both (age and pedophilia) was created by people who desired to show bias towards others and divide/suppress the people." No, they were not created because of that. Pedophilia is classified as a mental disorder because it harms children as my many sources elaborate.

Pro also attempts to convince us that laws created to protect children from sexual abuse are made by archaic "conservative" leaders. and these laws should be changed because "we the people" want them changed. Thing is, pro has not given any evidence other than his own personal opinion regarding any of the many questions I have asked, or statements he has made regarding the stance he holds.

Pro's evidence throughout this debate is typified by his latest entry of, "All of my statements are facts and truth. Only a fool would lie in a debate." Pro expects us to believe his stance is correct by thinking all of his personal opinions, with no actual evidence to back up his argument. He states again that, "I gave you proof of the conservative agenda but you chose to ignore me and dismiss my facts as "meaningless". He failed to state any evidence other than his own opinion even after I had asked him several times to provide facts to back his statements up.

Pro says, "People do not rely on "professional studies"to "determine what is right or wrong. We think for ourselves. It's called common sense." Sorry, you have it wrong here. Professionals are experts in their fields to help better understand any difficulties that we may encounter. They specifically have helped parents & children of abuses such as pro wants to make legal as sexual predators. I think that pro would benefit from the same professionals he deems worthless.

Pro's, "The law shoud [sic] never discrimate [sic] or control someones sex life or any aspect of their lives. No to "big brother". You have it wrong again pro. Laws are made for the benefit of the innocent. In this case it is the children these laws are protecting from people like you. (Please refer to past sources).

Your statement regarding, "Homosexuals are victims just like people who are punished for having sex," is a deflection from the debate subject matter that has no place in this argument.

Pro has stated several times that, "The law should not be used as a dictatorship and slave master of the people." I have asked pro repeatedly to show how sex with children does no harm to them or their families, and he repeatedly refuses to answer that most important point. Since pro's main point here is to prove sex with children is beneficial to all concerned, I would have thought pro would like to answer this and therefore win this debate. But pro has kept absolutely silent regarding this central point.

My arguments throughout this debate have shown that pro has argued from opinion only, without one source to back any claims he has made. I have brought this up to pro many times, only to have pro ignore those many requests. Ignoring such requests indicates he has nothing to substantiate those claims, and therefore remain only his personal opinion that goes against the children's health and welfare, including their families. I feel I could have use this very same paragraph in rounds three through five and felt comfortable knowing I have proven my contention that sexual abuse of minors is harmful because pro has has given no substantive argument throughout this debate that supports his "age does not exists," and "sex with any age," should be allowed.

OK pro, here's your final opportunity regarding proving sex with young children with your latest quip of, "... sex is a good thing for both parties." Please show studies of qualified sources that agree that "sex is a good thing for both parties," even if they are 6 years old and the other participant is an adult. The floor is yours.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by love3014 6 months ago
love3014
Pedophilia is before puberty, before 9 years of age
Posted by DawnBringerRiven 8 months ago
DawnBringerRiven
"But muh morals!" Isn't a logical argument. Saying a practice shouldn't exist simply because it hurts your feelings is not logical. Emotions are simply chemicals shooting through your head and nothing more.
Posted by Nathaniel_B 8 months ago
Nathaniel_B
Young girls aren't ready for sex man. its plain wrong. 18 is fine, but below that is way too far. Age does exist and you can't have sex with kids you sicko!
Posted by Debating_Horse 10 months ago
Debating_Horse
This guy would have intercourse with his daughter if he could. Should be placed in a mental asylum for help.
Posted by DawnBringerRiven 10 months ago
DawnBringerRiven
Yes that does pop up every time I comment or post something. And yes I know my tone when I type sounds very serious even though I'm really not haha
Posted by rextr05 10 months ago
rextr05
Dawn, one more quick thing. When you hit the "post comment" button, does a message come up that says, "Oops this is awkward ....?" It didn't used to be this way, but all of my comments or debate rounds have stated this even tho it does post what write.
Posted by rextr05 10 months ago
rextr05
Dawn, oops, my bad. This topic I take seriously cuz I feel the little kids are the most vulnerable of us all & need to be looked out for. Hence, my serious tone to you. Apologies, altho you had sounded serious re pro's side for a while. Thing is, you did make me think if I erred with respect to this being philosophical, rather than an actual debate of this issue. I had to check back to see if pro had mentioned tat he was arguing from that angle, which I found pro was not. I'm amazed that anyone could think sex with kids is a normal outlet for adults. Wow!
Posted by DawnBringerRiven 10 months ago
DawnBringerRiven
My Statement "Rude" was only a joke. I am not bothered in the slightest. And yes, I do think of debating these subjects as fun. I know this is a sensitive topic but that does not matter to me. Debating is my hobby.
Posted by rextr05 10 months ago
rextr05
Dawn, my comment to you was prefaced with, "If you think that ..." indicating just that. I did not imply anything. The "just for fun" comments seemed a bit strange with the subject matter here, that I take very seriously. Rude or not, one should expect suspect comments when dealing with such a sensitive issue as sexual child abuse.

That source in question used, "Pedophilic sex harms children, and roughly one in five girls, and one in twelve boys, are victims of sexual abuse," in their introduction. This was their theme throughout the article. They did say there needs to be more study re the pedophile, but never wavered on the harm it does to kids. They reference another study re what you stated, but that wasn't their own finding.
Posted by DawnBringerRiven 10 months ago
DawnBringerRiven
I've gotten bored of this discussion. Retro I do partly agree with your latest two comments, though I did not state that your sources are questionable. I only said that in one article you provided, the ethics of pedophilia, the article stated that harm coming to children in adult-child sexual acts is questionable. Hence my use of the phrase "this source almost seems to disprove..."
I'm going to leave this debate here. I thank you for not attempting to flame me by naming me a dangerous mentally ill pedophile simply because I argued pro pedophilia (For fun only.) Though you did do this to pro and did give a slight implication that I am pedophilic per your statement " If you think that sexual activity of any kind with a minor should be permitted, then that's your problem & any children that may associate with you." Rude.
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