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people are born gay

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Started: 2/14/2016 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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blackliger777

Pro

By born gay I don't mean that people are born with a sex drive, that develops later in life. "What you ARE born with is a predisposition to what you will be attracted to when you begin your sexual awakening. " "

"American Medical Association Official Website:"http://www.apa.org... (You'll want to read each section of this article on homosexuality divided into the drop boxes) "Here is an article from Cornell University :"https://confluence.cornell.edu... "Here is the article released by The American Psychoanalytical Association Official Website:"http://www.apsa.org... "Here is a link to The American Pediatric Associaton Official Website's article on Homosexuality:"http://pediatrics.aappublications.org... "All of these sources say that homosexuality is not a choice. "It is something you are born with. "Can I see your links now? " Take or leave the one from Cornell University or any other University. "Similar conclusions have been found by Yale, Oxford, and several other Ivey League Schools. "Those articles are also publicly available. "The American Psychological Association, The American Psychoanalytic Association and the American Pediatric Association Trump any University statement anyway.

So many world leading doctors, scientists, biologists and psychologists say being gay is not a choice. "So, unless you're one of those doctors, scientists, biologists, psychologists or a gay man, you have ZERO knowledge on the matter and ought to not talk about what you have no understanding of.
benjacannada56

Con

Today I'll be running a Topicality on the Word "gay"

A is the interpretation - They AFF must define gay as "happy and excited : cheerful and lively"(Merriam Webster's Dictionary

B is the violation The AFF defined gay as homosexual. This leaves out other members of the LGBT

C is the standards

Real world: To be realistic, the AFF must realize that not everyone individual who is part of the LGBT is gay. This excludes women and anyone who considers them selves gender queer.

D is the voting issues

Education : You should vote negative because the negative's definition grants access to more people

Apriori: This issue must be considered before any other arguement

Fairness: This denies the negative and ground to argue whether people are born in the LGBT or not. This skews the debate in the AFF's favor
Debate Round No. 1
blackliger777

Pro

*sigh* are you gonna try and refute me or not?
benjacannada56

Con

Homosexual leaders refuse to debate this issue because they know they cannot win. It"s imperative that we force discussion and demand such debate because we cannot lose, and it is the only path to victory. If we can forcefully expose the fallacy of the "born gay" thesis, the intellectual support of homosexual rights collapses, and we won"t even need to discuss the topic of "gay marriage."

Genetics is our friend

The laws of evolution and of genetic succession are particularly harsh on any trait that prevents reproduction, so let"s start with a simple formula that paints a stark picture: "One gay man + one gay man = zero gay children."

Or we can look at the female side of the picture: You can go back maybe 10 generations and assume any fertility rates (number of children per woman) for lesbian and straight women and calculate what would happen. Even a slight difference would cause a homosexual gene to rapidly fade from the population. On the other hand, if the fertility rates were the same, how could women be considered lesbians if they were having the same amount of heterosexual sex to produce an equivalent number of children? Even if a tendency toward homosexuality were genetic, every time that gene expressed itself, it would fall out of the gene pool. Ask any genetics teacher, "Could homosexuality be genetic if there is no mechanism for gays to pass their genes on to children as frequently as straights pass genes on to their children?" While you are at it, propose any percentage of gays in the starting population and any fertility rates for gays and straights, and ask for the mathematical calculations of how rapidly a homosexual gene would die out.

Workarounds that don"t work

For homosexual apologists, this obvious genetic roadblock is not so obvious and they have developed a number of workarounds. For example, some have pointed out that many homosexuals have children before coming out as gay. The Lesbian Mothers Project was created to fight for custody of children that lesbian mothers had while in a hetero relationship. OK. So they had hetero sex, but it was not their "sexual preference." To sustain this model is it possible that initially being hetero is part of the normal life cycle of a homosexual?

With this kind of emerging problem, someone getting married might want to run tests to ensure he or she is marrying someone of the stated orientation. But it doesn"t work that way. A person can in all ways act straight and swear on a stack of phone books that he/she is straight, but that"s not conclusive proof. Likewise a person can act and claim to be homosexual, but later events can show they were just "confused" and weren"t homosexual at all. A cardinal rule of gay ideology is that sexual orientation is immutable. From that viewpoint, it would seem that gayness or straightness is determined by what a person eventually declares himself or herself to be.

This leads to an interesting question: What percentage of the population dies before finally acting on their true orientation? Obviously some, but under this perspective, it is entirely possible that everyone is homosexual, but most die before coming out. It is also possible that everyone really is inherently straight and those who assert to be homosexual are only "confused." So while some assert that homosexuality is an inherent, unchangeable characteristic, it follows that it is impossible to say who has it " nothing can be presented as conclusive proof.

Homosexual studies sunk

This problem torpedoes any research supporting an organic basis for sexual orientation. Consider the scenario in which Carl marries Sally, who then dumps Carl to run off with Sue. This scenario has two possible causes: 1) Sally converted from hetero to homo, and there is no organic basis for sexual orientation, or 2) researchers built their studies on the premise that Sally and those like her were hetero, only to have to discard all their research because it"s based on flawed assumptions.

There is a study that claims a difference between heterosexual and homosexual brains. If those brains labeled "straight" included homosexuals who have not yet come out, while the brains labeled "gay" included straights that are really just confused and only thought they were homosexual, the researcher is just comparing one group of gay and straight brains with another group of gay and straight brains. How could he conclude anything? With this flawed beginning, any study attempting to prove an organic basis for homosexuality is invalid.

Some profess a foggy belief that homosexuality must be caused by some type of "chemical imbalance." But homosexuals claim that one in 10 is gay,
Irvin 12 By Philip Irvin 10/21/2012 PROOF YOU CAN'T BE 'BORN GAY' retrieved from http://www.wnd.com...

The Irvin 12 card disproves any claim that people are born gay. The Affirmative did not answer the Topicality so you should vote them on unanswered arguements. Once again abuse already done - not answering is just severance which is another reason to vote the AFF down and the NEG UP.

The fact that the Affirmative is saying that all people are born gay is a broad sweeping statement so you should vote themm down there too. If the AFF changes that statement, vote them on fairness because it is unfair to argue against someone who keeps changing their arguement.

Vote NEG on CASE - The affirmative's logic is flawed in every way. Vote Negative because the AFFirmative has a faulty that the Irvin 12 card disproves and they concede the Topicality by not answering it.
Debate Round No. 2
blackliger777

Pro

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benjacannada56

Con

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Debate Round No. 3
blackliger777

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benjacannada56

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Debate Round No. 4
blackliger777

Pro

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benjacannada56

Con

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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by missmedic 9 months ago
missmedic
My understanding of human sexuality is that it is more of a spectrum, then binary.
I would agree that there are more then one factor in determining a person sexuality this would help explain bi-sexuality and pan sexual.
Posted by MagicAintReal 9 months ago
MagicAintReal
This is a nature VS nurture argument, and it would seem the sources pro provided all indicate that homosexuality, like heterosexuality and other preferences, is both nature AND nurture.
Posted by dsjpk5 9 months ago
dsjpk5
Your pediatric article doesn't agree with you...."Sexual orientation probably is not determined by any one factor but by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences." Environmental influence.
Posted by Heirio 9 months ago
Heirio
I'm not sure people are always born gay, in my opinion (based on limited facts, just speculation), it is a combination of genetic markers and the development of the brain. A lot of this development happens inside the womb, but it continues to occur in the early years of the child's life.

Just my thoughts.
If anyone sees anything wrong, go ahead and shoot it down, but please correct me where I am wrong.
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