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Furyan5
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Started: 1/24/2016 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Furyan5

Pro

Grasp that the reality we see exists only in our mind.
When we see a tree, we are seeing an image created by our mind as a result of light waves being captured by our retina, which sends electrical impulses to our occipital loabs via the optic nerve. In Reality, trees are not brown and leaves are not green. They merely reflect light waves of differing frequencies.
Jevinigh

Con

What you're effectively arguing is that the world is not defined; for example you started with 'Trees are not brown, leafs are not green.' How ever this is fallacious, what we call green is defined as a chemical process where by light is reflected in a wave length from 495-570 nm[1] with this definition and measurement our brain is capable of registering and perceiving the color "green" and it is so defined. There by a green leaf, is definable as green by the process which you opened the debate by stating.

You live and I live in a world clearly and meticulously defined.

- Jevinigh Accepts the argument as Con

1.https://en.wikipedia.org...
Debate Round No. 1
Furyan5

Pro

You are mistaken. Light has no color. It only has wavelength and intensity and I can prove this.
When sunlight strikes a leaf it reflects light of the wavelength 495-570 nm, correct. If this light was green, we would see green light radiating from the leaf in all directions. "Red" objects would have red light radiating from them in all directions. This is not the case. Therefore something else causes us to see the leaf as being green. What actually happens is that our brain interprets that particular wavelength of light as green. The particular wavelength triggers an electrical impulse when it strikes a particular cone on your retina. This electrical impulse travels along your optic nerve to the brains imaging centre which interprets the signal and converts it into an image. This is where color is created. The green that you see exists only in your mind. Scientists call light of the wavelength 495-570 nm green because they know not everyone is intelligent enough to grasp the physiology of sight and they have better things to do than try to explain it to someone who can't understand.
Jevinigh

Con



No guy, They call it green because that's what we've collectively agreed on. This is basic social science, we we have collective shared experiences and we communicate them with a common language. Green does not mean it would emit it's own photon energy, Green means simply that it reflects that wave length... This isn't a conspiracy to placate ignorant masses, it is the basic facts of living in world where we experience shared phenomena; in this case, the color green. It is the job of the sciences to define the world we live in so that the experiences maybe bettered and batter shared, it is sociology not physiology that defines green and it is not a lack of intelligence at any level. it's the same for virtually everything and every object you deal with... You wouldn't say that: ' A car isn't really a car.. it's in fact 4 wheels with a motor in a metal box ( wake up sheeple!) '

Instead, we call it a car, well call green,green and brown,brown. We define the world to communicate our shared experiences because they are not all wrapped up in our heads, anymore than is the alphabet. The object car and the attribute green are real, definable things for us to do this with.
Debate Round No. 2
Furyan5

Pro

It reflects that wavelength in all directions. Yet we only percieve the light coming directly at us to be green. Does this seem logical to you?
If you drop a stone in a pond, don't you see ripples radiating in all directions?
Jevinigh

Con


You're working with an incomplete understanding of how works in this respect. I suspect you may have watched videos or seen text book images where the reflection of light is depicted in straight lines and took that to mean that the light is being reflected like a lazor in straight lines... Earlier you where talking about a leaf emitting it's own light ( ergo emitting it's own photonic energy) but now you are on something totally different and a bit unhinged. The reason you see ripples in the pond but not in vissible light is because you are watchign surface disruption on the water, you wouldn't see the ripples in the water if you where submerged ( except by looking at the surface from below)... besides that the ripples in the pond are moving far,far,far,far,far,far,far,far,FAR,Slower than light. The time it takes for light to hit your rettana is quicker than the neurons in your brain can fire, also the low end of the frequency is not a dead stop.. Now that I think about it aI am not sure you quite grasp how the frequency of waves work.

Debate Round No. 3
Furyan5

Pro

Firstly, I never said a leaf emits light. I said it reflects light.
So you saying light doesn't travel in a straight line?

I rest my case.
Jevinigh

Con


Congratulations on being one of the least coherent, most frustrating people I have dealt with on this site thus far.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Furyan5 1 year ago
Furyan5
Thanks Blade. BTW its veiw.
I believe it was Isaac Newton in the 1800's who said that the relationship between wavelength and color is arbitrary. There is nothing intrinsically blue about light with a short wavelength or red about light with a long wavelength. Colors are an internal perception and do not exist outside of our perceptions. This is a clearly stated fact in every definition of color and I'm beginning to believe it's a lack of intelligence and not a lack of knowledge which prevents people from realizing that light itself has no color.
Color is the bodies way of letting us know which wavelength of light is present.
Posted by Blade0886 1 year ago
Blade0886
I would like to add just a small comment on the "So you think light doesn't travel in a straight line?" saying. It all depends on your point of vue. From the photon's point of vue, it indeed always travel in a straight line. But if you take an external point of vue, and put the photon near a large gravitational field, such as a black hole(yknow, the things that even light can't escape), then light will take a curved trajectory, until it falls inside the horizon point of the black hole, even though from the photon's point of vue, it has always travelled straight. All trajectories are a question of point of vue, that is what your physics teacher make you learn at 15-16 years old.
Posted by Furyan5 1 year ago
Furyan5
Actually, you can. Google red lazer light. The reason you can see a red lazer beam is because it's so intense the light actually reflects off oxygen molecules. The speed of light and size of photons is irrelevant because it's a continuous beam made up of billions of photons.
Like a rainbow consists of millions of reflections which last for a fraction of a second as each raindrop falls through the 42" arc. We see it because as one drop leaves, another takes its place. The same applies to sunlight being reflected off a leaf. It's a continuous process so even though light is fast and photons are small, we would see green light radiating off a leafs surface if light was green. You should watch the video posted by canis. It explained the process better than I do.
As for your belief of what type of person I am, all I can say is, you would think that. These concepts are far too complicated for you so they seem illogical.
The difference between ignorant and stupid is that stupid people don't know they are stupid while ignorant people are willing to learn.
Posted by Jevinigh 1 year ago
Jevinigh
You strike me as the type of person who thinks the Earth is flat...
Posted by Jevinigh 1 year ago
Jevinigh
You can't unless it hits something that reflects the light.
Posted by Furyan5 1 year ago
Furyan5
Lol then how can we see a lazer beam?
Posted by Jevinigh 1 year ago
Jevinigh
Light moves too fast to be perceived the same way as a ripple in a pond... It is also too small, an Electron is nearly as small a thing as it gets in the universe. Yes light is reflected in all directions.
Posted by Furyan5 1 year ago
Furyan5
My question is, why don't we see green light being reflected in all directions? We only see green light reflected towards us.
Posted by diarrhea_of_a_wimpy_kid 1 year ago
diarrhea_of_a_wimpy_kid
Light waves do bounce in all directions when striking and object. The green waves that are reflected become absorbed by any object that isn't also green
Posted by Furyan5 1 year ago
Furyan5
Thanks. Great clip. It will be interesting to see how many people think it proves me wrong or right.
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