The Instigator
ninjaraygun
Con (against)
Losing
14 Points
The Contender
MTGandP
Pro (for)
Winning
51 Points

physician assisted suicide should be legalized

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MTGandP
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/15/2009 Category: Health
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (3)
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ninjaraygun

Con

I negate the resolution, resolved: physician assisted suicide should be legalized.

I will let my opponent, whoever that may be, go first.
MTGandP

Pro

I affirm: Physician assisted suicide should be legalized.

Physician assisted suicide:
The killing of a person by a physician, assuming consent of both physician and person, and proof that the person is mentally sound.

Contention 1: Freedom of Choice
People have a freedom of choice. Yes, this freedom has limits when others are in harm's way. But suicide is internal and personal. It affects others far less than it affects oneself. So in the end, it is a personal choice.

Contention 2: An End To Suffering
When someone is suffering, she may want it to just be over. She has no reason to continue living, so why should she? Requiring someone to continue living when she does not want to is terribly unjust: it is an intentional affliction of suffering unto someone. This is needless, and is why physician-assisted suicide should be legalized.

Contention 3: Reduction of Traditional Suicide
Those who are suicidal will not stop themselves from committing suicide simply because it is illegal. Personally-executed suicides are dangerous and have the potential to be very harmful due to the carelessness of the suicidal. But if physician-assisted suicide is legalized, then it will greatly reduce the risk of suicides gone awry. Subsequently, the government and health institutions will be able to document the suicides. Keeping accurate records of who has committed suicide greatly increases convenience for the hospitals and insurance companies.
Debate Round No. 1
ninjaraygun

Con

if physician-assisted suicide is legalized, then it will greatly reduce the risk of suicides gone awry" How is this? just because people in hospitals are pulling the plug, does not mean that people who are crazy are going to stop killing themselves. the two things are not relevant to each other.

contention one: the physician should try to save there life, not take it away.
The physician is there to save the person's life,not to just give up and pull the plug. This is just me, but I would definitely like it if my doctor would go to the fullest to save me, try everything he/she can, not just be like, "oh sorry your dying, want me to kill you?"
MTGandP

Pro

"This is just me, but I would definitely like it if my doctor would go to the fullest to save me, try everything he/she can, not just be like, oh sorry your dying, want me to kill you?"
That is not relevant to my definition. I understand the point you're making, but it is unrelated to the debate at hand. You seem to be confusing physician-assisted suicide with euthanasia. Physician-assisted suicide is when a physician helps someone commit suicide (see my definition). Euthanasia is the killing of an unconscious (usually terminally ill) patient by a physician, i.e. "pulling the plug". (http://depts.washington.edu...)

"just because people in hospitals are pulling the plug, does not mean that people who are crazy are going to stop killing themselves. the two things are not relevant to each other."
Generally, people who commit suicide are not crazy. They usually are suffering from severe depression or are experiencing extenuating circumstances. These people are reasonable enough to seek help from a physician.

My opponent's contention is definitionally irrelevant, and two of my contentions stand unrefuted.
Debate Round No. 2
ninjaraygun

Con

I do not see how my argument is not relevant to the debate.

And people who have a mental illness causing them to commit suicide are crazy, you'd have to be crazy to want to kill yourself.
Second I was talking about physician assisted suicide, I was just using the term "pulling the plug" lightly.
MTGandP

Pro

"I do not see how my argument is not relevant to the debate."
If someone chooses to die, it is their choice. The physician has no right to try to stop them. The person does not need saving. The person just wants to die.

"And people who have a mental illness causing them to commit suicide are crazy, you'd have to be crazy to want to kill yourself."
Not necessarily. Their life could be in extenuating circumstances. They could be severely depressed. Neither of these cases can be called crazy.

"Second I was talking about physician assisted suicide, I was just using the term "pulling the plug" lightly."
That's all right with me. My opponent's contention is still definitionally irrelevant, though. That's the main problem.

***

Two of my contentions stand unrefuted, and my opponent has done an inadequate job of attacking my other contention. My opponent's contention is definitionally irrelevant. By offering virtually no rebuttals in round 3, my opponent has essentially conceded. Vote PRO!
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by RoyLatham 8 years ago
RoyLatham
Con was incoherent. I oppose the resolution, but Con did not make convincing arguments, so the debate goes to Pro.

The points not raised were (1) assisted suicide, if legalized, should not be done by physicians, who should maintain the obligation to do not harm and (2) elderly patients will be pressured by greedy heirs to "stop being a burden" and it would take elaborate safeguards to prevent that. I think assisted suicide, if legal, would be preferably performed by Holy Men, who are characteristically charged with facing moral decisions.
Posted by MTGandP 8 years ago
MTGandP
"VERY POOR EXECUTIOn"
By both sides?
Posted by Justinisthecrazy 8 years ago
Justinisthecrazy
VERY POOR EXECUTIOn
Posted by Maikuru 8 years ago
Maikuru
Good topic, bad execution. Pro did his job.
Posted by Sheridan 8 years ago
Sheridan
VOTE PRO. that's all.
Posted by Gabby042 8 years ago
Gabby042
sorry nevermind im doing con so i cant use it
Posted by Flare_Corran 8 years ago
Flare_Corran
Since it's too late now, I'll say that CON should've argued that "proof that the person is mentally sound," is irrelevant. In my debate on the same topic, my main argument was that someone committing suicide is never mentally sound.
Posted by MTGandP 8 years ago
MTGandP
"Hey mtgandp can i use this case for my class"
Thanks for asking. You can use my arguments, just don't quote me directly.

"I would have debated the definition."
Yes, my opponent seems to be using a different definition than me.
Posted by Flare_Corran 8 years ago
Flare_Corran
I would have debated the definition.
Posted by Gabby042 8 years ago
Gabby042
Hey mtgandp can i use this case for my class
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