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SuperRobotWars
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playing sports is way better than sitting at home and playing video games

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/30/2010 Category: Sports
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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DS28

Pro

you have got to be a loser if all you do is sit in your house and play video games. you have to go out there and play sports to be a healthy person
SuperRobotWars

Con

Well what about those with physical disabilities that prevent them from being able to participate in physical sports such as chronic fatigue syndrome http://www.cdc.gov... or arthritis http://www.arthritis.org... and there is even a list of conditions on this page http://sped.wikidot.com... do you think it is wise for people with these physical disorders to participate in sports which could potentially worsen their conditions, I think not. The simple fact is not everybody can participate in physical activities due to bodily conditions so would it not be wise to let them play video games in order for them to entertain themselves? And how does sitting around your house playing video games make you a loser, from current trends in culture (well culture of the U.S.A.) people with game consoles (especially the newest ones) are held at a higher esteem and tend to be more popular in many social areas (this is more from a teens standpoint upon the subject) http://www.usatoday.com... http://www.examiner.com... http://www.associatedcontent.com... . I would also like to say this majority of programmers make a $53,964 salary http://www1.salary.com... and employment in this field is expected to continue to rise http://www.bls.gov... http://www.infoworld.com... you can also see some of the "perks" of their jobs (so to speak) and from what can be seen people who are interested in video games tend to be interested in programming http://mvpmodelingsolutions.com... http://www.racialicious.com... http://degreedirectory.org... now what are the odds of getting into any major league sport .00565% chance of that happening http://www.thesportdigest.com... http://forum.bodybuilding.com... , now are those high or low odds I am fairly certain that is considered to be a low probability bu the odds of being a programmer are significantly higher such as nearly 100% if you put your mind to it http://freelanceprogramming.blogspot.com... http://www.articlesbase.com... http://www.educationcenteronline.org... . You see video games interest the young in other fields of expertise other than that of a pro-athlete which you have a low chance of becoming. Although I agree that sports can help you stay physically fit that is not the only way, you can simply go to a gym and use the exercise room or jog it is not necessary to play sports in order to maintain physical fitness http://www.thedigeratilife.com... http://ezinearticles.com... . Playing video games also comes with certain benefits such as improving hand-eye coordination and enhancing creativity http://www.selfgrowth.com... . The idea of who is and who isn't a loser is a subjective matter due to the way you use it hence bearing no weight for I am fairly certain that people with a chance at making higher wages and a low chance of going out of business seem pretty cool to me, just use Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Steve Wozniak as a reference http://dictionary.reference.com... http://www.microsoft.com... http://allaboutstevejobs.com... http://www.woz.org... .
Debate Round No. 1
DS28

Pro

first off i would like to say i do agree with you on some facts.
like first off i agree that it is ok for disabled people to play video games because what eles could they do around the house. but i am talking about all of the fat over wieght kids that all they do is play video games. that is horrible for little kids. it is very unhealthy and it is killing them. there are too many fat people in the usa. it is ok to play video games sometimes but you should be more prone to be more active and so you have a higher energy levle and you can do things.
Second i would like to point out that the reasoning for more violence in the usa is for all of those fat kids (wich they got that way from playing too much video games) who got picked on all there started to play the new gta (grand theft auto) games then growing up and shooting up schools and such.http://www.msnbc.msn.com...
they end up thinking that the kind of stuff you can do in those kinds of games are ok to do. they end up going to jail and becoming losers. all i am saying is that there is more of a negative effect on people who play too much games. if you get out there and become more active you would essentually become a much better person.
SuperRobotWars

Con

Your most recent argument is a futile attempt to blame all of societies issues upon violent video games which simply is not true. Statistically speaking violence in people who play and do not play violent video games are the same hence violent games cannot be the attributing factor in violent behavior. This scapegoating is an simple attempt to put all of the blame of violent acts merely upon games that people play but let me tell you one thing what about all of the other contributing factors such as how hey are treated by others, how they are raised, and even medical history upon the family could shed some light upon the source of violent behaviors. Plus with your argument we would also have to say that the News is bad for the violence depicted as well as many textbooks explaining human history. Also I would like to point out the fact tat if you want to be an effective killer a certain amount of physical fitness is required (this will tie into my next paragraph). There is also a matter of parents ability to control what types of games their children play but more on this later.

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To blame obesity entirely upon video games is also an example of scapegoating for you have to account for other lifestyle factors as well such as: the persons general diet, stress levels, family history, and type of job you also need to include the parental figures as well for they often times play a major role in a persons lifestyle. To say that an fat person will likely grow up and kill a bunch of people is also a farce due to the fact an effective killing machine is an fit killing machine. Also think of how many fat people that are considered to be cool and highly respected in the modern culture of the U.S.A.. Also remember that a person cannot simply be judged by their appearance for many fit people are bad people in accordance to their behavior (take Hitler for instance he was fit physically and had no video games yet committed a great atrocity against mankind).

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The level of physical fitness one has does not make them any better or worse when it comes to terms of behavior and health. Many physically fit people have committed mass murders and never had a video game to show them these behaviors. Since the birth of competing civilizations man has raped, pillaged, and slaughtered his neighbors and in our 5000 year history of having civilization we have only seen video games appear about 52 years ago so how does your argument stand up that video games are in essence "the seed" of violence in today's society. I would also like to point out the fact that you can be fat and healthy so it is pointless to say that only the physically fit are the only people who are healthy. I would also like to point out that simply being physically fit does not mean you are any healthier for often times physically fit people suffer from medical ailments.

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I say that video games are not the major problem it is the lack of people wanting to look at other key factors in the health of citizens of the U.S.A.. We must stop scapegoating and take initiative of the true basis of health and behavior problems in our great nation.

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Debate Round No. 2
DS28

Pro

I would just like to point out a few facts about what you just stated. 1) would be that you said that violent video games are not the causes of violent behavior.(paragraph 1) 2) you talk about the parental figure that the kids would have. (paragraph 2) 3) The physica fitness of the person.(paragraph 3) 4) Crime rate since video games have ben out.(paragraph 4).

In recent research that has ben done on the effects of a teenager and violent vidoe games are that they can definetly change a person. Some of the studies that have ben done are that an average boy will play around 13 hours or more a week on video games. Also there is more than a 65% chance that the video game or games that the person would be playing is a violent video game that has to do with killing people. Studies have show that a teenage male or even a boy around the ages of 8,9,10,.... have had these effects. They tend to be more agressive. They are more prone to have issuse with there teachers. May engage in fights at school with there peers. They also will see a decline in grades at there school. Finally they will start to disobey the law. As you can see the chance of a boy playing violent video games alot can make them be a bad person. I would also like to state that there has ben a video game made on one of the most gory movies ever made. That game is saw.

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You also talked about the parental figure that one would have. I certinly hope you know that not all kid or teenagers are going to have a good set a parents. some parents could care less about what their childeren watch or even play(like video games). I am also not just talking about a bunch of 8 and 9 year olds. No I am talking about the young teenagers that their parents(even if their parents are good parents) are thinking to themselves that their son or even daughter is old enough that they could play whatever. But I am not just trying to blame the parents either. Its like a 25% 75% thing. Its not all the parents fault and its not all the childs fault either. Some parents might not even know what the ratings on the game oven mean.

http://www.badparenting.net...

http://www.esrb.org...

Now the physical fitness can not only have to do with stress, and family. it has to do with alot other things like mabey actually doing things that are healthy for you. going out and doing activities out side. I know that not all people can do that but kids certinly can. they have gym at school but that shouldnt be the only exercise they get every day. you also stated that it has to do with jobs. im not talking about adults. Im talking about kids of the ages 8 to 18. I know that when a kid turns 15 they can start looking for a job but it shouldnt be that hard. All i am trying to say is that a person can choose to be over weight. they can either choose to sit down and eat a ton of food and do nothing but play video games and watch tv or they can want to be healthy and go out and do something physically fit. There ae lots of thing that a person can do outside that can be very fun.

http://www.exercisetv.tv...

http://dnr.wi.gov...

http://www.healthpartners.com...

www.scheelssports.com/

Since the video game industry has evolved from pac man and things like that there has ben a 17% increase in crime rate. people are getting mor and more agressive due mostly video games. there has ben from school shootings to even a young boy year old stealing a car. Im pretty sure that in grand theft auto you can high jack cars. I am not saying that a young boy would be playing thosekind of games, but he could have ben watching one of his older siblings playing the game. He was fairley young and he was already stealing cars. how do you think that looks about the youth. And speaking of the youth, recent studies have show the crime rate in High schools and middle schools and lets not forget college have gone up significly in the last 50 years

http://www.en.wikipedia.org...

http://www.uk.answers.yahoo.com...... - United Kingdom

http://www.crimeinamerica.net...

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SuperRobotWars

Con

I would like to thank my opponent for such an interesting debate

All of my opponents arguments previous arguments were refuted earlier.

Now your first argument states that video games change a person, well that is not true the percentage of violence is the same in both game playing and non-game playing individuals. What does 13 hours of gaming a week have to do with anything it is simply 111.428571 minutes a day which amounts to 1.85714285 hours a day who cares. Your 65% chance that it is a violent video game is irrelevant beacuse of what I said about the percentages of violence being the same, and if violence is their isn't the simple fact that we show violence on T.V., in history textbooks, and insistently in the News just as bad, I am quite certain that you do not see it that way so your facts still remain pointless. Fights in school tend to have no basis upon the games they play it has mostly to do with how they are being raised, and other situations but video games do not play any true part within the origins of the bully behavior. Finally what does the movie Saw have to do with anything (or the game they made from it) it does not show you how to build those contraptions of death, it does not show you how to do anything of that nature and the fact still remains it does not show your child how to commit those heinous actions and it is more likely to give people nightmares than to make hem go around in a pigs mask and put them in a room with a tape cassette and tell them "You have one hour to cut off your leg if you want to live".

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http://arstechnica.com...
http://www.thebluebanner.net...
http://www.geeknewscentral.com...
http://southeastpsych.blogspot.com...
http://childbehaviourtips.com...
http://www.selfhelpmagazine.com...
http://www.xbox360achievements.org...
http://www.salon.com...

For your second argument I would like to inform you that I already know not all parents are caring, but my points from the previous paragraph still remain that the amount of violence remains the same for both parties. The parents also can go right up to the register and ask for about what the ratings mean, read the back label of the game that will elaborate the meaning of the rating as well as give a description of the game contents, and they can simply go to the ESRB website for rating information. Only a minority of parents are not actively involved in their children's lives. The point remains that parents still retain the ultimate control over the games they play.

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Your 3rd argument coincided with what I had said that you do not need to pay sports to get physically fit. I never said they had to go to gyms at school they can go to any gym available, and I also said that they did not need a gym they can simply jog around. Also remember the fact that many ids have parents which will not let their kids go outside and play sports, and that some kids have so much work to do that they cannot take time out of their schedules to play sports. What is this I hear about you saying they are too young to be interested in their careers it is never too early for one to be interested in their career which will effect how they will live for the rest of your life. Remember that the majority of people who spends time playing video games do not spend all of their time eating, and if one wants to be physically fit they will attempt to do so it makes no sense to force them and if the parents want them to be fit then they will make them exercise. Also now more than ever I would like to point out a series of reasons children no longer go outside as much: they can live in a bad neighborhood in which it is safer to stay inside than outside, too much work at school, horrible weather conditions, too many extracurricular activities, parents are too strict, they have many household chores that need completion, etc . . . etc . . .

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For your IV argument I want to know a 17% increase since when, you make no elaboration upon the argument hence I say that it bears no weight. Another thing is that video games do not show you how to jack a car the simply show people doing it but never in enough detail to teach you to hijack the car, if a kid truly wanted to learn to jack a car all they have to do is read a basic car design book or look it up on the internet as well as take a basic automotive course at school so don't even bother blaming the game in this regard. Research shows that people who pay video games are no more aggressive than those that don't so that argument also remains futile. You also show no direct link to that child who stole a car and the presence of video games so how does it bear any weight in the regards of your argument, the quick answer is that it doesn't. Last I need to point out that simply beacuse violence in schools are on the rise that does not mean that video games are the culprit there is more of a link between parent,monetary, and social situations and crime in schools than video games in this subject. So in the end your arguments are simply subjective generalization and scapegoating on video games.

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I would like to point out one more thing , I never said that "Crime rate since video games have ben out" nor have I ever implied that all I had stated is that violence has been around since the dawn of civilization and that video games have nothing to do with it.

I would once again like to thank my opponent for this debate.
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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by pattjk 6 years ago
pattjk
I just laughed my a** off....
Posted by LukeSchreiner 6 years ago
LukeSchreiner
I am rather pacifistic, despite the fact that I love violent video games. It allows me to take out my anger n something, with no negative effects. I know the difference between shooting pixels at pixels and shooting real weapons at real things, such as people.
Posted by Atheism 6 years ago
Atheism
Not too good of a debate from either side, admittedly, but Con clearly won with sources & arguments.
For the first time in ever, I need to give grammar points to SRW. He only used run-on sentences, and the occasional grammar/spelling mistake, but Pro's grammar was just awful. No capitalizations, bad spelling, etc.
Posted by DS28 6 years ago
DS28
i would have to agree with pattjk
Posted by pattjk 6 years ago
pattjk
Who cares? Every debate is different, no matter the subject. Let these gentlemen battle.
Posted by ethopia619 6 years ago
ethopia619
Hey guys, for your benefit, there is already a debate. Go look and find some arguments:
http://www.debate.org...
Posted by pattjk 6 years ago
pattjk
Hell yes, dude. DS29 is mah buddy. He's like 6'5, lead quarterback, starting center, and leader of the debate team. Your a** is grass. Not physically. But DS will mentally destroy you :)
Posted by SuperRobotWars 6 years ago
SuperRobotWars
Really you think so?
Posted by pattjk 6 years ago
pattjk
I believe the DS28 is amazing and shall win this. I expect a good finish. Biff be with you both.
Posted by SuperRobotWars 6 years ago
SuperRobotWars
That's what I did before and people kept complaining . . .
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