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Solarman1969
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DucoNihilum
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prostitution - should it be legal?

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Started: 3/11/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Solarman1969

Con

This is becoming a clear dividing line between the parties- the democrats, true to form, are making excuses for Spitzer the arrogant hypocrite scumbag, as they did for Slick Willie. Do you agree with the democrats, that it is a "victimless crime" and thus, Spitzer should be allowed to stay? and that Slick Willies sex crimes are also "his personal business" you must be a democrat then.

Wanna take this on, all you liberal excuse and mintute types?
DucoNihilum

Pro

I'd like to bring up a few points about your opening argument, and clarify some things in the process.

FIRSTLY I would like to make it perfectly clear that I am not a 'Liberal', in fact, I am arguably more conservative than you in some areas. I am not a democrat either, and do believe that his personal business is just that, personal.

SECONDLY I would like to point out that being 'liberal' in personal (non economic) issues isn't necessarily a bad thing. In fact, people who are 'liberal' for those issues tend to support Liberty regarding those issues, which in my opinion is a very good thing.

THIRDLY your argument is very shallow. In fact, your entire argument is full of personal attacks on the Governor.

AS FOR my main arguments.

You seem to be bringing up Spitzer a lot, so I feel the need to address him in my argument. I plan to address him shortly, as he is just one figure in this very wide debate. You mock the idea that this prostitution issue is his own personal business. I ask you how is it NOT his own business? What does him doing anything with prostitutes have anything to do with his political career? This is a politicians personal life, not his political one. I do find it ironic that he had done a few prostitution stings and was caught himself for being involved in prostitution, but his being caught in prostitution does not mean he is any less of a public policy maker.

You also mock the idea that this might be a victimless crime, or possibly the very idea of victimless crimes. Who is the victim in crimes of prostitution? The John? No. The prostitute? No. Both of them entered a mutual agreement. The John wanted to have sex with the woman for money, and the woman wanted to have sex with him for money. This is no different than going to a strip club, or even buying something from a garage sale. The only person even potentially harmed here is you. Your feelings are hurt, you disapprove of the idea of such activity so you call for it's banishment. Is that not selfish, to banish something simply because you disapprove of the behavior?

Liberty is an important part of all of our lives, and it must be protected. Liberty includes allowing others to do what they want, so long as they do not actually impede on others liberties. Prostitution does not impede on anybody's liberties, however the outlawing of prostitution takes Liberty away from thousands (If not millions) of adults who simply want to
have consensual sex. Who are you to decide they can't?

I must ask the instigator to keep this debate clean, to avoid ad hominmen attacks and ranting, and to please try to keep this an intelligent discussion.
Debate Round No. 1
Solarman1969

Con

Solarman1969 forfeited this round.
DucoNihilum

Pro

Well, my opponent had very little opening to go on, and posted nothing so far as a central argument. I must try to elaborate on my own.

People should have control over their own bodies, and people like solarman have no right to claim control over somebody elses body, however much he disagrees with them.
Debate Round No. 2
Solarman1969

Con

Prostitution DESTROYS the lives of WOMEN-and some young men as well

it is ANATHEMA to morality, and should FIRMLY be opposed by society

It increases disease, physical abuse , crime, drug use, depression, slavery, abortion, and all kinds of other explotive and harmful things to humans

Furthermore, it futher promotes the concept of making sex meaningless and demeaning women (and boys) into sex objects, to be used as slaves by the "owner" or John, and the pimps who enslave them

This erodes a society, and like the Romans, will eventually rot it at the core

Once again, you are far too young to understand the wider societal implications of your position, much as the others who shamelessly promote abortion for the same reasons (freedom to do with your body whatever you like)

SOLARMAN
DucoNihilum

Pro

I find it interesting that a good deal of the 'bad' things you list on about regarding prostitution are actually very much caused by the fact that it is illegal. Disease in brothels is regulated, as birth control methods are generally required (look at Nevada for examples), Physical abuse would end- as they can now report it without fear of arrest. Slavery would not exist as much, as it would move out of the underground.

I agree that society might have a right to look down on such practices, especially conservatives. However, simply because society disagrees with something is not justification for it to be illegal. We should not limit personal liberties simply because other third parties disapprove.

Prostitution is the choice of the woman, or man who joins. If they themselves want meaningless sex, or to be 'demeaned', then that is their choice. People have meaningless sex all the time, with or without prostitution.

People should have the right to do what they want, even if you happen to disagree with it. The 'destruction' of the lives of women and men, if it happens, is the fault of the women and men themselves, and it is not the responsibility of the government to nanny these individuals.

Your closing statements are simply ad hominem attacks, and nothing more. My age has nothing to do with my argument, or the correctness of my political views.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by SweetBags 9 years ago
SweetBags
as long as your going with the idea of facts, heres some more:
a)i was under the impression (but, unlike you i admit i could be wrong) that the UN had not autherized force. so please post a link, otherwise its just conjecture.
b)the reason they voted to autherize force was that bush had said that iraq had 1 close ties to al-quada, and 2 huge amounts of WMDs. both of which were later found to be completely untrue, so bush's justification dried up.
c)how do you define winning? and most iraqis neither like us or want us there (i can provide a link if you want).
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
Here is again typical ranting and unsupported vitriol against republicans, Bush and conservativism, not necessarily in that order.

HEY ALL YOU LIBERALS- GIVE ME ALL YOU PATHETIC WEENIES GOT!

IF YOU EVER ACTUALLY MAKE POINTS OF SUBSTANCE LIKE THIS

"The people are angry at the Bush administration because of the fact that they decided to launch war in Iraq. And then contracted all of the work out to companies owned by friends of members of the Bush family. And funnel moneys directly from the taxpayers to their pockets. The f*cked up thing is, the American soldiers are getting the short end of the stick in this deal."

THEN I WILL SIMPLY CRUSH YOUR PATHETIC WEENIE LIBERAL LOGIC

(1) Iraq was totally completely justified

a) there were 15 UN resolutions, and explicit authorization of the use of force against SO DAMN INSANE

b) BOTH houses of congress , and 75% of representatives, including Hillary voted to authorize FORCE

c) we are WINNING finally after 5 long years - the iraqi people appreciate us, dont they?

d) PROVE you accusations that the BUSH FAMILY is benefitting financially from the work being done there

PROVE IT WEENIE BOY!

PROVE IT!

YOU CANT !

GUESS WHY ?

BECAUSE YOURE A WEENIE LIBERAL JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER LOSER WEENIES THAT I CONSISTENTLY SPANK WITH FACTS

SOLARMAN RULES!
Posted by kenito001 9 years ago
kenito001
Nobody is biased and stupid except solarman.
Every debate with him is all rhetorical ranting no facts or analysis.
Posted by psynthesizer 9 years ago
psynthesizer
Did you read the f*cking article? Did you even open your mind for ten minutes and read through the article I posted? Did you try reviewing the numbers, stats, and facts available yourself?

http://hubpages.com...

http://www.thealbanyproject.com...
http://gov.ca.gov...
http://www.ny.gov...

Hell, even the Republican governor of your state, SCHWARZENEGGER disagrees with Bush.

According to your logic, SCHWARZENEGGER is also lying scum.

It's not Bush you dumbsh*t. The people are angry at the Bush administration because of the fact that they decided to launch war in Iraq. And then contracted all of the work out to companies owned by friends of members of the Bush family. And funnel moneys directly from the taxpayers to their pockets. The f*cked up thing is, the American soldiers are getting the short end of the stick in this deal.

I would like to note that you also did not address my logical conclusion that you are a masochist.

IF you really are that intelligent, then why have you won only 3 of the 60 debates you participated in? *mocking tone* "It's because of the liberals!" It's funny because you lost this one too.

I call bullsh*t.
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
Once again, LYING CHILD with NO CLUE (you are not 7 years old and are a LIAR, like most demoncats)

I could give a flying F*** what you and the totality of the little marxist morons on this site think

If you look at the debates I have started and WON, despite the votes from you liberal kids who think you know what then heck youre talking about, they cover WEIGHTY topics

health
energy policy
the WAR
ISLAMOFASICSM
morality

and so on

There are actually some intellegent people on this site who can actually debate, unlike you liberal know it all kids who are so incredibly biased and stupid that it is really quite funny to behold

you have all been convinced that GEORGE W BUSH is the source of every ill in the world and the US, and even make up stuff since there really isnt much to really complain about

Here is case in point, FOOL

" His policies have damaged TWO MILLION AMERICAN FAMILIES, who now find themselves out of a house and deep in debt thanks to his imprudent administration. "

Oh So BUSH MADE THEM SIGN THOSE DOCUMENTS RIGHT?

there is NO SPECULATION GOING ON THERE RIGHT?

you are so stupid it is amazing

and then you defend your SCUM like Spitzer

it figures
Posted by psynthesizer 9 years ago
psynthesizer
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Solarman, you obviously aren't very well liked here. So why do you continue to visit this site and pollute it with antiquated opinions without facts OR logic? Is it that you enjoy the abuse? Are you a masochist?

I have nothing against conservatives. I agree with a good portion of the University of Chicago when it comes to economic policy within a capitalistic society. However, Bush's economic policies are amongst some of the worst; he's contradictory towards the ideals of the Republican Party! I'm enraged and I'm a Democrat! His policies have damaged TWO MILLION AMERICAN FAMILIES, who now find themselves out of a house and deep in debt thanks to his imprudent administration.

Ignorance to a degree such as yours is DISGUSTING. The very purpose of debate is to have an intellectual exchange of ideas. As far as I can tell, and as far as all of your debates seem to indicate, you provide little to no evidence outside of the fact that we are too young to understand what you're discussing (if it could be called that).

Perhaps you're too old to comprehend ideas and logic that didn't come from a book written thousands of years ago of questionable virtue and contradictory in nature.

You mock the literary skills of others, yet your responses are no more grammatically proper, and often worse.

You feel justified in judging the opinions of others, and probably get a hard-on when you ignore the responses of others.

You feel comfortable in your cocoon of ignorance.

The true irony is the fact that you call us ignorant. You call us morons. Let me respond to (2):

"Oh really? why did Spitzer (another scum dem) have to step down ? "

Greg Palast, NY times bestseller and financial fraud investigator summarizes very nicely:

http://www.gregpalast.com...

Spitzer was working on a case against the sub-prime lenders, who had driven the US economy into the ground. The Bush administration did not want the case to reach the courts.
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
The morons who make up the bulk of democrat voters continue down their foolish path

Of course , most of y'all are children that cant even vote yet, and fortunately most young folks DONT vote, or we would be doomed faster than we already are

here are some shining examples of the ignorance

(1) Democrats>Republicans
Dems do it with FEMALES. (See Larry Craig)

Uhmmm . How about Jim McGreevey? Barney Frank?

and exactly what sex acts did Larry Craig do ? hmmmmm?

(2) Pro solidly refuted all of Con's points with logic and facts.

Oh really? why did Spitzer (another scum dem) have to step down ?

(3) morality is subjective, i dare you to prove it otherwise. acually thats a good idea, ill challenge you to a debate on the subjectivity of morality.

Done . Amswer my queries, Ms Moral relativism

and heres some examples of brillance

"hey landmass (Solorman"
"he's stupid/ignorant."
"but taht doesnt mean we shouldnt correct him"

you all need to learn the english language

this country is going down the tubes fast

good luck to us
Posted by SweetBags 9 years ago
SweetBags
man, im begining to understand that, but taht doesnt mean we shouldnt correct him
kenito, perhaps, but we shouldnt stoop to his level
Posted by kenito001 9 years ago
kenito001
and he's stupid/ignorant.
Posted by Mangani 9 years ago
Mangani
Sweetbags, don't feed pearls to the pigs. Solarman is a bitter old man who can't get past his own ego when it comes to logic...
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