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pageantgrl
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Logical-Master
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public schools should sell kosher foods.

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Logical-Master
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/9/2009 Category: Education
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 1,837 times Debate No: 9648
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pageantgrl

Pro

at public school cafeteria's don't know what religion some of the kids are (most kid's that go to public school are most likely to be catholic or Jewish) so why don't they make food for every one to eat? most parents my not have food in they house that the time because they have not ran out to the supper market to get food of their following religion such as Jewish kosher foods. so why don't they make foods that every kid can eat and not have to worry if it follows their diet of they religion they chose or was born it to.
Logical-Master

Con

Greetings and many thanks for starting this debate. Since my opponent demands that I respond ASAP, I'll get right down to it.

My opponent proposes that public schools ought to be required to sell Kosher Foods. In order to do this, such an policy should be able to withstand the scrutiny of the lemon test: http://en.wikipedia.org...

In order to pass the lemon test, the policy must not oppose any of the prongs listed below

1. The government's action must have a secular legislative purpose;
2. The government's action must not have the primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion;
3. The government's action must not result in an "excessive government entanglement" with religion.

Ladies and gentleman, if you'd be so kind as to take a gander at what I've quoted from my opponent's case above, you'll see that her proposed policy clearly violates #1.

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"at public school cafeteria's don't know what religion some of the kids are . . ."

"most parents my not have food in they house that the time because they have not ran out to the supper market to get food of their following religion such as Jewish kosher foods."

"so why don't they make foods that every kid can eat and not have to worry if it follows their diet of they religion they chose or was born it to."
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Based on my opponent's own words, she is insisting that this policy be upheld in order to cater to peoples' religion (particularly those who uphold the Jewish religion). Although there are some cases where the test is rightfully criticized give that it's difficult to determine the intent or specifics of certain policies, my opponents position is simply not the case. She has made it quite clear that the intentions of this ruling are religious.

Also, in response to:

"most parents my not have food in they house that the time because they have not ran out to the supper market to get food of their following religion such as Jewish kosher foods."

How do we know this? More importantly, getting Kosher foods at the super market is a relatively simple task even if most parents don't happen to have the food inside their homes.

Thus, the solution to this problem is rather clear. First, PRO's proposition fails the lemon test. Even if she argues otherwise and it were to somehow succeed, there would be a great deal controversy as there usually is when religious policies somehow make their way into public schools. Since the alternative is for parents to SIMPLY go to the grocery store and BUY the easily accessible Kosher foods themselves, it's rather clear as to which option is the more logical. Second, parents who buy their own food for their children at public schools could even receive a tax write off as an incentive (since part of tax payment no doubt goes into public school cafeterias).

And I'll leave it at that for now. :)
Debate Round No. 1
pageantgrl

Pro

As is said before I believe they should sell kosher because here's what could be done by the power of kosher:

has to be cooked a different why-most likely it will be cleaner becuase they use separate pot and pans or dairy and meat

no back ends- uses real meat not the rump of the pig or cow

every thing must be cleaned before starting new meals
Logical-Master

Con

My opponent has not responded to any of the arguments which I've provided, thus you are to see these arguments as having been conceded to.

As for what she says in her second round, I'm sure there are benefits to eating Kosher food just as I'm sure there are benefits to attending youth meetings (even for those who aren't religious), but that doesn't mean either should be instituted as a part of our public schools. The fact of the matter is the policy my opponent is proposing clearly violates the establishment clause and would no doubt be a great source of controversy. I have provided an alternative that not only doesn't violate the establishment cause and would not trigger controversy, but allows citizens less of a burden from taxes (particularly, those who aren't using the school cafeterias and are buying lunch for their children).
Debate Round No. 2
pageantgrl

Pro

pageantgrl forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Logical-Master 7 years ago
Logical-Master
Sorry, but I've got three exams from monday to tuesday. I already have my response typed, but I intend to delay the time as much as possible so I'll have time to study tomorrow and sunday and monday. The same applies for all of my debates except the one about Spider-Man as I'm pretty sure my opponent doesn't actually intend to debate.
Posted by pageantgrl 7 years ago
pageantgrl
my other debater seems scared becuase I'm a Jewish wanna be so thats why i will win this argument with my eyes closed because if he's on then why won't he debate
Posted by Kleptin 7 years ago
Kleptin
So....sooo many loopholes...
Posted by Logical-Master 7 years ago
Logical-Master
Even so, it still doesn't pass the lemon test.
Posted by pageantgrl 7 years ago
pageantgrl
it was the only good why to put it lol
Posted by pageantgrl 7 years ago
pageantgrl
lol i hope what you get by selling foods right lol
Posted by Danielle 7 years ago
Danielle
I won't take this debate because you said sell :)
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