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izzyg413
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mmadderom
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15 Points

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/11/2008 Category: Society
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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izzyg413

Con

People are wrong when they compare obesity to smoking. Someone eating a cheese burger and fries won't give me a heart attack. But if someone is smoking it not just effects that person, but also everyone else around him.
mmadderom

Pro

Your argument is very vague and the topic not much more enlightening.

I assume you want to ban smoking in any public place. This would basically include anywhere this is not your own property.

Not only is this unnecessary, it violates basic civil rights. Cigarette smoking is legal in this country. I understand the concerns of "second hand smoke" in enclosed areas, but what about outside in the open? How am I, a smoker, infringing on your health by walking down the street smoking a cigarette? Depending on where you live the factory smokestacks you may live near are potentially FAR more harmful as you take that walk. Exhaust fumes from cars are certainly more dangerous.

Additionally, when it comes to smoking indoors in "public", why should a restaurant be forced to ban smoking? It's a private business in a privately owned building. If you don't want to be exposed to the smoke, don't go to the establishments that allow it. If the restaurant/bar/club loses enough business it will ban smoking as a result. Why should it be regulated by the Government?

Sorry, I'm a smoker who lives in a state that just passed a law banning smoking in all "public" buildings whether they are privately owned or not. It makes no sense to force a business owner to tell his patrons they aren't allowed to use a legal product on their premises.
Debate Round No. 1
izzyg413

Con

izzyg413 forfeited this round.
mmadderom

Pro

Well, as my opponent has failed to respond I will respond to something written in the comment section if that's alright.

"I have seen more intelligent comments made by a pineapple.
Of course you are infringing on someone's health! Do you honestly think that your cancer stick has no effect on them whatsoever? Honestly, even when you are outside in the open, while the effect is often diminished, it is present.

I also don't see anything relating to obesity in any of the statements made."

Taking this step by step.

-If you have seen more intelligent comments made by a pineapple I'd suggest you must have been using a far more dangerous chemical than tobacco at the time.

-It makes no sense to say I'm infringing on someones health smoking outside, in the open air. Unless you CHOOSE to stand quite close to me while I am smoking or I somehow make you, you are completely unaffected. There are far more dangerous pollutants in the air than Cigarette smoke, but I don't see anyone petitioning to ban automobiles or factories, do you? If you don't believe me I suggest a little experiment. Stand in an enclosed garage with 50 smokers for half an hour. You'll come out uncomfortable and perhaps a little dizzy, but with your long term health relatively unaffected. Now stand in the same enclosed garage with a single running automobile for half an hour. You will no longer have to worry about your health because you will be taken out in a body bag. Now, which is more dangerous to society?

-Obesity is a far more serious issue than smoking is, but it's the dirty little secret nobody wants to talk about because there are so many obese people in this country. When my opponent states that being obese hurts nobody but themselves, He/She is WAY off base. FAR more tax dollars are spent treating the effects of obesity than of smoking. It's not even close. Also, I was under no obligation to debate the obesity/Cig issue as that's not the title of the debate. The title was simply the very vague "public smoking".
Debate Round No. 2
izzyg413

Con

izzyg413 forfeited this round.
mmadderom

Pro

As opponent never made another argument or clarified their position there isn't much else to debate here. The banning of smoking in "public" places, when those places are actually private businesses such as restaurants is beyond the scope of what the Government should involve itself in no matter how ultruistic their reasoning might seem.

When you consider that cigarettes are a completely legal product, it is not the place of the Government to determine whether private businesses should or should not allow the use of that product on their property.

I have no objection to banning smoking in Government operated facilities such as court houses, fire stations, etc. but interference of this sort in private business is unjustifiable and most likely unconstitutional.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by kels1123 9 years ago
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Just a comment on smoking, I do believe smoking is unhealthy and I am a smoker , however I think as long as the government is making money with taxing cigarettes then I don't believe they should be able to ban smoking in any public places. If they are that concerned they should outlaw them and lose the revenue that cigarettes bring in.
Posted by GeoffG 9 years ago
GeoffG
Buttercup, I really hate to break this to you, but pineapples don't talk.
Also, I find obese people more disgusting than smoking, and I don't even smoke. I just want to put that out there. I know smokers that can still run a mile in under seven minutes. I'd like to see some Whopper addicted beefcake try that. Just sayin'.
Oh, and let's not get into relative healthcare costs.
Posted by buttercupx224 9 years ago
buttercupx224
"How am I, a smoker, infringing on your health by walking down the street smoking a cigarette? "

I have seen more intelligent comments made by a pineapple.
Of course you are infringing on someone's health! Do you honestly think that your cancer stick has no effect on them whatsoever? Honestly, even when you are outside in the open, while the effect is often diminished, it is present.

I also don't see anything relating to obesity in any of the statements made.
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