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vi_spex
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NonBizz
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reality is unbelieved

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Started: 2/2/2015 Category: Science
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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vi_spex

Pro

unknown is aLien, god, ghosts, in other Words, the dead

if god is true, whatever god i imagine is still false..
NonBizz

Con

Reality: the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them.

Unbelieved: lack of religious belief; an absence of faith.

Reality cannot be unbelieved for everyone acknowledges reality, therefor the absence of faith and/or religious belief in reality is untrue.

As for god... How do we not know if the god imagined is indeed the true god?
How to we not know the consciousness everyone has is actually part of a universal consciousness that is god, what if we are all god, who is attempting to become unlonely by dividing him/herself?
Debate Round No. 1
vi_spex

Pro

give me a belief or a religious faith in my hand to prove your case that it exist in reality

separation is division, i am one
NonBizz

Con

Your argument is reality is unbelieved, yet anyone is existing now acknowledges reality which is belief... Your acknowledging reality now for your engaged in this debate... Therefor your statement of reality is unbelieved is indeed untrue. Existence of a faith or belief does not need to be tangible.

Existence: the fact or state of living or having objective reality.

Reality itself cant really be considered to be bound to our physical outlook of reality...
Debate Round No. 2
vi_spex

Pro

belief=unknown

beliefs dosnt exist in reality
NonBizz

Con

Belief: an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.

Reality: the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them.

Belief exists in reality for we have defined it, reality is what we perceive and what we define and agree on.

Once again your claim is untrue.
Debate Round No. 3
vi_spex

Pro

show me a belief then
NonBizz

Con

Your expressing the belief in not believing...

Again reality does not need to be "shown", though there are visual evidence of such realities, reality due to being overall truth requires no such physical expression.

For example your belief in that there is no belief is formed by a conclusion you came up with to discern your reality, yet that conclusion is indeed a belief of it requires a type of "faith" in your conclusion. Your placing your faith/belief in what your perceive as being reality to be truth, but humans are incapable to discern truth by themselves.

so again belief = Unknown, False
Reality is unbelieved, also False

In truth reality is like Phi, you will never get to that golden ratio but forever move above and below that ratio. For humans cannot truly perceive reality. Yet they express a belief in reality for they know an ultimate truth does exist even if they themselves currently cannot perceive it.
Debate Round No. 4
vi_spex

Pro

truth is memory of know, and belief is imaginary

absolutes have nothing to do with belief, try Again
NonBizz

Con

truth is a memory of the known, and belief is an acceptance of what one finds to be perceptively true.

absolutes have nothing to do with belief, try Again

Have said nothing about "absolute", try again...

Words hold meaning so we may express ourselves more effectively to ourselves and others. Since we have a type of faith system based a multiple sources to conclude what reality consists of, we, as an gathered being, discern based on this belief and conclusion what we collectively consider reality.

Yet no one by themselves or collectively will ever be able to discern what is truth, it is faith/belief of what we have gathered and what we as individuals conclude to through our unique thinking processes that we base our perception of reality.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
reality is the opposite of imagination
Posted by NonBizz 1 year ago
NonBizz
Which is the case for the eyes don't perceive the truth of reality the mind literally takes the signals and builds an image in our mind... Which is a type of imagination...
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
same as saying reality is imagination
Posted by NonBizz 1 year ago
NonBizz
Belief is an acceptance of what one finds to be perceptively true.
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
you are just saying Things... belief is the opposite of knowledge
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
spexi, the "philosophy" that can't be countered but on several occations judged by people trying :D

yea sounds cool bra
Posted by Esiar 1 year ago
Esiar
Spexy = Vain Philosophy
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